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Latest blast to blasphemy laws

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
‘On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, Representatives Jamie Raskin (D-MD) and Mark Meadows (R-NC) introduced House Resolution 512 to support the repeal of blasphemy laws globally, encouraging the State Department and President Trump to protect international religious freedom by making the repeal of blasphemy laws a priority in their relationships with foreign nations.

As of 2018, at least seventy nations around the world still have blasphemy laws that endanger the lives of those who don’t conform to the state’s official religion or worldview. Blasphemy laws are often used to target secular and religious minorities of many faith backgrounds, including Christians, Hindus, atheists, and Muslims, among others, and conviction under these laws can mean life in prison or a death sentence.’

Good move imo

Read more here: https://thehumanist.com/news/international/the-latest-blast-to-blasphemy-laws-h-r-512
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
‘On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, Representatives Jamie Raskin (D-MD) and Mark Meadows (R-NC) introduced House Resolution 512 to support the repeal of blasphemy laws globally, encouraging the State Department and President Trump to protect international religious freedom by making the repeal of blasphemy laws a priority in their relationships with foreign nations.

As of 2018, at least seventy nations around the world still have blasphemy laws that endanger the lives of those who don’t conform to the state’s official religion or worldview. Blasphemy laws are often used to target secular and religious minorities of many faith backgrounds, including Christians, Hindus, atheists, and Muslims, among others, and conviction under these laws can mean life in prison or a death sentence.’

Good move imo

Read more here: https://thehumanist.com/news/international/the-latest-blast-to-blasphemy-laws-h-r-512

As Dajjal wrote in the comments of the article -

Why did they omit freedom of speech & expression? Look up the "Ad Hoc Committee On Elaboration Of Complementary Standards" which is tasked with coding a codicil to ICERD to make criticism of Islam illegal.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As Dajjal wrote in the comments of the article -

Why did they omit freedom of speech & expression? Look up the "Ad Hoc Committee On Elaboration Of Complementary Standards" which is tasked with coding a codicil to ICERD to make criticism of Islam illegal.
Looked it up OHCHR | Elaboration of complementary standards

Am I looking in the wrong place? Because I saw nothing about criticism of Islam being illegal on it
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Looked it up OHCHR | Elaboration of complementary standards

Am I looking in the wrong place? Because I saw nothing about criticism of Islam being illegal on it

Did you look at this?

Following each session, the Ad Hoc Committee submits its report to the Human Rights Council pursuant to decision 3/103 and resolutions 6/21 and 10/30. The report of the 9th session is available here.

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Racism/AdHoc/9thsession/A-HRC-37-76_EN.docx
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Did you look at this?

Following each session, the Ad Hoc Committee submits its report to the Human Rights Council pursuant to decision 3/103 and resolutions 6/21 and 10/30. The report of the 9th session is available here.

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Racism/AdHoc/9thsession/A-HRC-37-76_EN.docx
I skimmed that document (it is rather lengthy) and the only things i noted that were of concern in it were Bulgaria raising concerns about negative media coverage of Islam and Muslims in general on page 42 and the representative of Pakistand raising the issue of the denigration of religious symbols and personalities sacred to all religions on page 43, however I don't think these items being raised as items of input to discussion means that consensus or agreement was reached on them for inclusion in the conclusions or findings.

I also noted that there was no representation of Australia and the US which I thought was a bit lacking.

Have I missed anything of critical importance?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
I skimmed that document (it is rather lengthy) and the only things i noted that were of concern in it were Bulgaria raising concerns about negative media coverage of Islam and Muslims in general on page 42 and the representative of Pakistand raising the issue of the denigration of religious symbols and personalities sacred to all religions on page 43, however I don't think these items being raised as items of input to discussion means that consensus or agreement was reached on them for inclusion in the conclusions or findings.

I also noted that there was no representation of Australia and the US which I thought was a bit lacking.

Have I missed anything of critical importance?

Equating ‘Hate Speech’ with the made up word ‘Islamophobia’ is the major concern as ‘Hate Speech’ is a crime.

15. The African Group was convinced that the dialogue maintained by the Ad Hoc Committee since its inception provided ample opportunity to reflect on substantive and procedural gaps with regard to the Convention. The various thematic issues that the African Group and the Ad Hoc Committee had identified over the years as being contemporary manifestations of racism included xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, propagation of racism and xenophobic attacks through cyberspace, racial profiling and incitement to racial, ethnic and religious hatred. She said that victims of profiling required better protection from these manifestations. Maximum remedies should be applied and impunity for perpetrators of acts of racism should be eliminated.

22. The institutions of the European Union were very much focused on the fight against discrimination, racism and xenophobia. The European Commission, which was primarily tasked with ensuring the correct legal transposition, implementation and enforcement of existing legislative instruments, also encouraged the exchange of good practices between European Union Member States. To that end, the Commission had established expert groups on non-discrimination and on racism and xenophobia in 2008 and 2009 respectively. In addition, the Agency for Fundamental Rights of the European Union, established in 2007, played a crucial role in collecting, analysing and disseminating objective and comparable data on racism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and other forms of intolerance and in providing independent and evidence-based policy guidance on equality and non-discrimination to the institutions and Member States of the European Union. Among other activities, the Agency assisted the Member States in designing and implementing relevant measures to combat hate crime within the framework of the Working Party on Hate Crime, which had been set up in 2014.

23. The European Union was of the view that the development of comprehensive anti-discrimination legislation was relevant and it stated that it would continue to engage in the promotion of equality and non-discrimination.

24. The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), stated that the work of the Ad Hoc Committee was currently more relevant than it had been at the time of the body’s inception. The world was facing a myriad of challenges, including economic meltdown, rising xenophobia and intolerance, international conflicts and worsening human rights and humanitarian crises. The socioeconomic and political root causes of racial abuse had become significantly more complex, giving rise to new and contemporary forms of racial discrimination on the basis of race, sex, language or religion, which were not covered by existing instruments. Consequently, there was a need for effective legislation at both the national and international levels, to fill in the gaps and provide remedial measures for victims of injustice and discrimination.

25. OIC was of the view that the historical perspective of racial discrimination and its continuing adverse effects on the lives of people and nations, especially in the economic, social and cultural domains, could not be forgotten. The ramifications of past injustices still haunted the lives of many and, therefore, international cooperation was necessary if obstacles to the attainment of better and equal standards of living were to be removed.

26. OIC was seriously concerned at the dangerous tide of extreme right-wing politics in many parts of the world and the equation of nationalism with patriotism. The increasing trend of incitement to violence, hate speech and advocacy of hatred, xenophobia, racial and religious profiling, racial differentiation — especially in border management — discriminatory immigration practices, Islamophobia, negative stereotyping and stigmatization was alarming, socially unjust and highly condemnable. Indigenous peoples, migrant workers, refugees and other vulnerable groups faced a multitude of issues linked to discrimination and harassment. Those contemporary challenges further underscored the importance of supporting the Ad Hoc Committee’s work.

27. OIC reaffirmed its commitment to constructive participation in the Ad Hoc Committee’s discussions and urged all the other countries and regional groups to set aside political differences and work to find commonalities in order to fulfil the mandate of the Ad Hoc Committee. Together, they would defeat the hate mongers and xenophobic demagogues who exploited people’s insecurities and incited violence and hatred. Together, they could pave the way for a better future based on shared principles of tolerance, inclusiveness, non-discrimination and interracial harmony.

49. The representative of Egypt suggested including a reference to Islamophobia in the draft conclusions and recommendations, noting that there was a need for political will to deal with some of the root causes of migration. The representative of Libya endorsed the proposal made by the representative of Egypt.

93. The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC, underlined the need to have a discussion on Islamophobia. His delegation was open to engaging in discussions on discrimination on the grounds of any religion, not only Islam. However, Islamophobia currently represented the most prevalent form of discrimination on the basis of religion or belief.

98. The representative of South Africa, speaking on behalf of the African group, supported the proposal made by the representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC, concerning the holding of a discussion of Islamophobia during the next session.

The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC noted current legislation being enacted around the world relating to hate speech and border management, with implications for racial and religious profiling. He questioned whether there was legislation in place in various jurisdictions against racial and religious profiling, and stated that it would be interesting to hear and share comparative legislative experiences in this area, particularly relating to Islamophobia, negative stereotyping, and border management issues.


This is an interesting article from 2004.

We must be allowed to criticise Islam
 

Wasp

Active Member
Equating ‘Hate Speech’ with the made up word ‘Islamophobia’ is the major concern as ‘Hate Speech’ is a crime.
A criminal is easier to get along with compared to someone with a severe contagious disease such as Islamophobia.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Equating ‘Hate Speech’ with the made up word ‘Islamophobia’ is the major concern as ‘Hate Speech’ is a crime.

15. The African Group was convinced that the dialogue maintained by the Ad Hoc Committee since its inception provided ample opportunity to reflect on substantive and procedural gaps with regard to the Convention. The various thematic issues that the African Group and the Ad Hoc Committee had identified over the years as being contemporary manifestations of racism included xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, propagation of racism and xenophobic attacks through cyberspace, racial profiling and incitement to racial, ethnic and religious hatred. She said that victims of profiling required better protection from these manifestations. Maximum remedies should be applied and impunity for perpetrators of acts of racism should be eliminated.

22. The institutions of the European Union were very much focused on the fight against discrimination, racism and xenophobia. The European Commission, which was primarily tasked with ensuring the correct legal transposition, implementation and enforcement of existing legislative instruments, also encouraged the exchange of good practices between European Union Member States. To that end, the Commission had established expert groups on non-discrimination and on racism and xenophobia in 2008 and 2009 respectively. In addition, the Agency for Fundamental Rights of the European Union, established in 2007, played a crucial role in collecting, analysing and disseminating objective and comparable data on racism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and other forms of intolerance and in providing independent and evidence-based policy guidance on equality and non-discrimination to the institutions and Member States of the European Union. Among other activities, the Agency assisted the Member States in designing and implementing relevant measures to combat hate crime within the framework of the Working Party on Hate Crime, which had been set up in 2014.

23. The European Union was of the view that the development of comprehensive anti-discrimination legislation was relevant and it stated that it would continue to engage in the promotion of equality and non-discrimination.

24. The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), stated that the work of the Ad Hoc Committee was currently more relevant than it had been at the time of the body’s inception. The world was facing a myriad of challenges, including economic meltdown, rising xenophobia and intolerance, international conflicts and worsening human rights and humanitarian crises. The socioeconomic and political root causes of racial abuse had become significantly more complex, giving rise to new and contemporary forms of racial discrimination on the basis of race, sex, language or religion, which were not covered by existing instruments. Consequently, there was a need for effective legislation at both the national and international levels, to fill in the gaps and provide remedial measures for victims of injustice and discrimination.

25. OIC was of the view that the historical perspective of racial discrimination and its continuing adverse effects on the lives of people and nations, especially in the economic, social and cultural domains, could not be forgotten. The ramifications of past injustices still haunted the lives of many and, therefore, international cooperation was necessary if obstacles to the attainment of better and equal standards of living were to be removed.

26. OIC was seriously concerned at the dangerous tide of extreme right-wing politics in many parts of the world and the equation of nationalism with patriotism. The increasing trend of incitement to violence, hate speech and advocacy of hatred, xenophobia, racial and religious profiling, racial differentiation — especially in border management — discriminatory immigration practices, Islamophobia, negative stereotyping and stigmatization was alarming, socially unjust and highly condemnable. Indigenous peoples, migrant workers, refugees and other vulnerable groups faced a multitude of issues linked to discrimination and harassment. Those contemporary challenges further underscored the importance of supporting the Ad Hoc Committee’s work.

27. OIC reaffirmed its commitment to constructive participation in the Ad Hoc Committee’s discussions and urged all the other countries and regional groups to set aside political differences and work to find commonalities in order to fulfil the mandate of the Ad Hoc Committee. Together, they would defeat the hate mongers and xenophobic demagogues who exploited people’s insecurities and incited violence and hatred. Together, they could pave the way for a better future based on shared principles of tolerance, inclusiveness, non-discrimination and interracial harmony.

49. The representative of Egypt suggested including a reference to Islamophobia in the draft conclusions and recommendations, noting that there was a need for political will to deal with some of the root causes of migration. The representative of Libya endorsed the proposal made by the representative of Egypt.

93. The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC, underlined the need to have a discussion on Islamophobia. His delegation was open to engaging in discussions on discrimination on the grounds of any religion, not only Islam. However, Islamophobia currently represented the most prevalent form of discrimination on the basis of religion or belief.

98. The representative of South Africa, speaking on behalf of the African group, supported the proposal made by the representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC, concerning the holding of a discussion of Islamophobia during the next session.

The representative of Pakistan, speaking on behalf of OIC noted current legislation being enacted around the world relating to hate speech and border management, with implications for racial and religious profiling. He questioned whether there was legislation in place in various jurisdictions against racial and religious profiling, and stated that it would be interesting to hear and share comparative legislative experiences in this area, particularly relating to Islamophobia, negative stereotyping, and border management issues.


This is an interesting article from 2004.

We must be allowed to criticise Islam
Of course we must be able to make legitimate criticism of Islam, but hate speech which calls for violence against Muslims must be outlawed.

In that sense it would probably be clearer if they used a word such as Muslimphobia making it clearer that they were talking about attacks on people rather than attacks on ideas.

I suppose if the European Union is to use the word Islamophobia so long as it defines Islamophobia similarly to antisemitism that is ok, but you raised a good point that it’s definition requires clarification as it is an ambiguous sounding word.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Of course we must be able to make legitimate criticism of Islam, but hate speech which calls for violence against Muslims must be outlawed.

In that sense it would probably be clearer if they used a word such as Muslimphobia making it clearer that they were talking about attacks on people rather than attacks on ideas.

I suppose if the European Union is to use the word Islamophobia so long as it defines Islamophobia similarly to antisemitism that is ok, but you raised a good point that it’s definition requires clarification as it is an ambiguous sounding word.

It looks like you would agree with this article about Islamophobia and Muslimness. I certainly do.

We must have the right to mock Muslimness
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It looks like you would agree with this article about Islamophobia and Muslimness. I certainly do.

We must have the right to mock Muslimness
Even after reading the article i’m not clear as to what “Muslimness” is to be honest.

If it is as the article says that we can’t mock the niqab then I would oppose the proposed law, and would probably oppose it simply for being too vague anyway.

I would propose a law against “bigotry against Muslims, which everyone agrees is a terrible thing”, instead since if the article is correct there is consensus on it anyway.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Even after reading the article i’m not clear as to what “Muslimness” is to be honest.

If it is as the article says that we can’t mock the niqab then I would oppose the proposed law, and would probably oppose it simply for being too vague anyway.

I would propose a law against “bigotry against Muslims, which everyone agrees is a terrible thing”, instead since if the article is correct there is consensus on it anyway.

This article explains the dangers of Islamophobia and Muslimness.

Islamophobia definition menaces free speech

The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on British Muslims has produced a well-intended but worrisome definition of Islamophobia. It states: ‘Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.

It is worrying that so far there has been no critique of the APPG’s definition by Labour, the Liberal Democrats or the Mayors of London and Manchester.
 

Wasp

Active Member
In that sense it would probably be clearer if they used a word such as Muslimphobia making it clearer that they were talking about attacks on people rather than attacks on ideas.
The attack is on ideas rather than people.
I suppose if the European Union is to use the word Islamophobia so long as it defines Islamophobia similarly to antisemitism that is ok, but you raised a good point that it’s definition requires clarification as it is an ambiguous sounding word.
"Antisemitism" as a word has gotten completely out of hand.
 
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