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  1. Fool

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    The reality of a thing.

    The reality of a worm is obviously not the reality of a dragonfly; which in kind is not the reality of a human.

    As a thing evolves, it's reality becomes expanded; so as the tree of life continues does the consciousness of reality expand with the evolution? the ability to think both inside/outside the box? to accomplish reverse engineering. to see reality arise and collapse in to cycles of latency and revelation?

    is there always going to be a reality greater than that of the created thing, or evolving thing? is the thing evolving creating the reality, or is the reality already present and the thing evolving simply experiencing what is?
     
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    Every thing exists, our perception changes, therefore our reality.

    We choose to experience what our seed soul needs to further itself.

    We could say that the multiverse has already expanded to totality, in reciprocation, contracted fully, (it does this over and over and over and over) like a breath, the exhale releases, the inhale consumes it is air but not the exact same as came in, reminiscent of our exhale can be used for other processes (liken to a tree consuming our carbon - to release more oxygen) ((as time is just a perception of our expereince, source is in no-time, urge = instant manistifation/creation, all the parts happen at once))

    As no matter how 'lost' a soul can get it is still taking steps towards becoming a merge with their seed soul. (back to the source of the breath)

    from what I can see there is always something greater but nothing greater, we live in the beauty of contradictions, and contradictions is God - the impossible but believable.

    I think we should start looking at the universe less like a scale from higher - lower and more like a venn diagram with mutable connections and bubbles in every which what way. all as important as each other
     
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    Boy, this really requires that you define your "reality" here. What is the reality of a thing?

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    the reality of a thing as an observer vs reality aware of itself.

    does reality get transformed, or arise, from being observed, or is reality independent of the observer who discovers it?


    reality exists but does it adapt to the observer or does the observer adapt to reality?

    are we evolving together, reality and the observer?
     
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    Sorry, but one of the cardinal rules in defining words is that the definition cannot employ the word being defined---Coal is hard and black coal that burns." In this case we're left with not knowing what the the reality of a thing as an observer is, and what the reality aware of itself is. Want to try again?


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    any object/action whose existence might be questionable.

    i'm being intentionally vague because i don't wish to be exclusive to a thing based on the form that object/action(thing) would take.
     
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    This is pretty deep internal stuff, and would truly take someone that is very aware/awake, and knows themselves to answer.... a rare language many aren't ready to comprehend. I think that beyond the mind, just the first sentence I wrote already subtly answers all of the questions for those that can see. At least for a human being, can't speak from the lense of a worm or a dragonfly.
     
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    I think reality encompasses the observer and the observer is part of the reality. I think the only exception to this is God, who created reality and can exist independently without it.
     
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    what then is God apart from the reality of itself? if God is All then is the Absolute not a reality in itself?
     
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    I believe God is very much part of this reality. He lives in Christians by means of the Holy Spirit. I believe that heaven is part of this reality but perhaps in a different dimension from it.
     
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    but doesn't that create a dual reality from a human's perception and not from God's reality? whom has separated themselves from who?


    Ezekiel 12:28
    28 Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord God.

    Revelation 10:7
    7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


    when will revelation come to the separated? will it come when they accept, or invite it to be themselves?


    are the separated even listening to their own inner voice, their spirit? hear 'o' israel the Lord is ONE.

    listening with the mind's eye

    Revelation 3:20
    Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
     
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    Perhaps. I suppose it depends on one's perspective. I see it as all one reality God created for His glory. Each person sees it according to their own perspective, I suppose.
     
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    so its a selfish way or High Way?

    could it be that they only recognize self and ignore other as self? wasn't heaven a state of mind for Lazarus and hell a state of mind for the rich man and his selfish ways vs the story of the good samaritan who chose to be unlike a rich man and hold to me and mine vs them and their's?

    Deuteronomy 9:16
    And I looked, and, behold, you had sinned against the Lord your God, and had made you a molten calf: you have turned aside quickly out of the way which the Lord had commanded you.

    2 Timothy 3:1-2
    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves,


    basically they will follow their own selfish ways vs the Way of Love and selflessness
     
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    Pretty much. Each person has denied doing the will of God and gone his/her own way. That's just the way it is. It is why the world is such a screwed up place.
     
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    can love change anyone; if rejected? isn't it a mutual state of mind, that two should become ONE, or other as self?doesn't a quid-pro quo kind of defeat the purpose if buying someone's affection. isn't that like prostitution of another form?


    Isaiah 66:3
    He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.



    So I put my faith in something unknown
    I'm living on such sweet nothing
    But I'm tired of hope with nothing to hold
    I'm living on such sweet nothing

    And it's hard to learn
    And it's hard to love
    When you're giving me such sweet nothing
    Sweet nothing, sweet nothing
    You're giving me such sweet nothing

    And it's not enough to tell me that you care
    When we both know the words are empty air
    You give me nothing

    Uoooh
    Uoooh
    Uoooh
    Nothing
     
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    You lost me. I'm not sure what you're talking about or referring to.
     
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    love makes two seemingly opposed things into a union by action to seemingly different forms. i and the father are one, said Jesus. being of like mindedness. friendship is one mind in two bodies - mencius. this is why abraham was called a friend of God, IMO

    this is what love is too. love is one mind in two, or more bodies. it is the idea of having empathy and compassion for others as self, the good samaritan.
     
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    Okay, I'm following you now. Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    so why do you suppose you thought that? made yourself separate/differentiate from God?


    thought of yourself, or me, vs god?

    Psalm 82:6
    “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

    wasn't this what you were waiting for? the coming like a thief?


     
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