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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by The Hammer, Dec 5, 2021.

  1. The Hammer

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    KRAMPUSNACHT - December 5

    Blessed Krampusnacht everyone. Hope you've been good boys and girls this year. Or else you'll get the whippings tonight.

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    That sounds like almost as much fun as Festivus...
     
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    Krampusnacht is literally not a thing and the term was only made up for cultureless foreign tourists.
    Stop appropriating Alpine culture if you've never been beaten up by them in early December.

    Ugh. Americans.
     
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  4. The Hammer

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    Feel free to share the true history if you'd like..
     
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  8. Flankerl

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    Oh you mean from someone who actually grew up with it?
    Okay: Perchten/Krampus/Tuifl/Kramperl/Bartl/Miglo/Parkelj are a localised tradition in the Alpine Region which goes back to pre-Christian folklore.
    Since there is a manifold number of names there is no singular source for them.
    Traditions vary from region to region, let alone village to village.
    But generally it takes place from late November to Christmas and sometimes early January.
    There are more civil celebrations which have been cut down for tourists and then there's the stuff in the villages.


    "It's in an English source therefore it's true" is really bad.
    Especially about a topic the English world didn't even know the existence of 8 years ago.
    Just compare the German and English wikipedia entries on the length alone.
    Bonus point for finding "Krampusnacht" anywhere in the German entry.
     
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    So it sounds like it is a modern interpretation of older traditions that didn't have the same name? It looks like the first Krampus festival in Austria occurred in 2013:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetravel.com/krampus-festival-austria-what-is-it/amp/

    I am curious about what "stuff in the villages" are...
     
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  10. Flankerl

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    No?
    There's simply no uniform tradition.


    No?
    What is even a Krampus festival?


     
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    Or putting the elf in his place. :D

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    There is no mythological figure fitting the idea of "Krampus"?



    I've never seen one myself, but they apparently do occur. The article describes it.


    I can't access the video now due to where I am, but that looks...interesting from the still. :)
     
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    Are you just here to be antagonistic?

    If so, I'll leave you and the thread be.
     
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    Here is some more background on it from National Geographic.

    Who is Krampus? Explaining Santa Claus's Scary Christmas Counterpart
     
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    I saw that, but wanted to engage more
    :). While I want to respect Flankerl's assertions of her culture, I find it difficult to believe that Krampus is simply an American concoction. I will buy that the larger interest and festivals dedicated to the myth may be a modern phenomenon sparked by the movie, but there are depictions of this figure well before that time:

    ANNO, Wiener Bilder, 1896-12-06, Seite 1
     
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    No there isn't one because all the different names come from different root words.


    I am not sure you read the article.
    There is no singular "Krampus Festival". The English speaking article simply calls the various festivities spread over eight different countries the "Krampus Festival" with which they mean what happens around the 6th December.

    Also literally no one calls them "Krampus/Perchten/whatever Fest" in these countries.


    Entirely depends how you feel about being hit with a branch.



    Good luck providing evidence that I wrote that.
     
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    I read the article enough to glean that the festivals involving big, horned, hairy folk during this time of year do occur, though it appears to be a recent phenomenon.

    I guess the name doesn't bother me, though given that "Krampus" does appear to be used at least in Austria and at least as early as the late 1800s, it doesn't seem that far out there to refer to these things by that moniker.

    However, I will defer to someone native to the region. :)

    Don't get into the Eros room much, do you? :D

    I don't feel the need to. I extrapolated that from post #3. I could have misread.
     
  18. Flankerl

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    Oh for crying out loud

    THE TRADITION OF PERCHTEN/TUIFL/BARTL/PARKELJ/KRAMPUS/MIGLO IS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD
    IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO PRE-CHRISTIAN TIMES

    The term Krampus isn't even used throughout Austria let alone the entire Alps.


    You are misreading pretty much everything.
    I wrote about the term "Krampusnacht" being a recent invention. Not the activity throughout the Advent time.
    There are also no Krampus Festivals except probably in the US.
     
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    And they had festivals based on the figures, then? Or is that just a recent thing? I concede the article could be mistaken. I also suspect that the confusion may just be arising from the term "Krampus"?

    This is purportedly from a newspaper in Vienna 1896. Unless I am mistaken, it appears to depict a hairy horned figure with the term "Krampus" being applied:

    ANNO, Wiener Bilder, 1896-12-06, Seite 1

    So then I take it this website from Salzburg with information about a festival is invoking the moniker "Krampus" mainly for tourists?

    Krampus und Percht : Advent in Salzburg : salzburg.info
     
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    No they simply aren't festivals about the figures.
    The figures accompany the Nicholas celebrations.


    You are really testing my patience. Is that on purpose?
    Vienna is not all of Austria. Salzburg is not all of Austria.

    And yes the stuff in the bigger cities is quite literally for tourists.
     
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