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Featured Koshas (sheaths)

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Meerkat, Dec 18, 2019.

  1. Meerkat

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    I've been exploring the five koshas, which appear in the Taittiriya Upanishad.
    Is this Wiki article a reasonable summary?

    Kosha - Wikipedia

    The Wiki articles compares the sheaths to the layers of an onion, though according to the notes in my Wordsworth Classics translation of the Upanishads: "The five sheaths represent a hierarchical order.. Thus the fifth sheath (the innermost) encompasses all that there is, including the first."
     
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  2. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Yes, I would say it is a reasonable introductory summary.
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Basically understanding in successively greater measure till finally reaching complete understanding (Anandamaya Kosha).
     
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    Isn't progressive understanding a function of the vijnanamaya Kosha?
    I don't see how it would apply to the others.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yes, Vijnanamaya Kosha is just one step below complete understanding. Knowledge full, only it needs to be applied, IMO.
    Like files copied, installation remains (installed Mint linux 19.3 today). :)
     
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    I was reading that the goal is to not identify with the first 4 koshas, since regarding them as "me" or "mine" leads to suffering.
    Does that sound right, and if so, does this relate to neti-neti?
     
  7. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I just want to point out that they are more than an understanding but actually composed of real subtle materials in dimensions and at vibratory rates we can not detect with our three-dimensional physical senses and instruments.

    I say this lest people try to turn the Koshas into something just allegorical. They are all real objective things too just as the Annamaya kosha (physical body sheath) is objectively real.
     
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    So is the idea to recognise and experience the five koshas? And then what?
    I'm trying to understand the purpose of this classification, how it is to be used, practically speaking.
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Being a Hindu, I agree with you. You are right in your view, I am right in my view. Are we both not Advaitists, though with some difference! :)
    As the Zen monk said, "Sweep the floor and fetch the water".
    Even after understanding, there will be a life to live. But one would have peace of mind, equanimity, and not doubts and conflicts. :D
     
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  10. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    They are just describing the five koshas. They are not talking about 'experiencing' the five koshas individually. Practically, we just need to concern ourselves with our normal spiritual practices (sadhana) and our development will proceed from that.
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    We've talked before and if you do not consider Brahman as infinite consciousness (not created by material interactions) then you are not Advaita in my book but much closer to a materialist-atheist.
     
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    Awareness goes where awareness flows, and although we live in all 5 simultaneously, it's more a matter of which one dominates. As we progess in our sadhana, we start having awareness exist within the deeper bodies more.

    As with much Hindu philosophy, the perspective from which you are looking at it will change how it looks. In other words we can perceive the 5 bodies from each of the 5 bodies.
     
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    I don't think that "not identify" with them would be the correct way to describe the goal. I would say it's more along the lines of not being attached to them.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "relate to neti-neti." Can you elaborate?
     
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    SalixIncendium Ahaṁ Brahmāsmi
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    Can I be "not Advaita(ist)," too?

    I'm starting to feel left out here, guys. ;)

    And who has George's book? May I see it?:D
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Yogapedia explains Advaita Vedanta
    Advaita Vedanta is a subschool of Vedanta, which itself is one of six orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy. Advaita is one of the two oldest of the schools of Vedanta, having been formed around the eighth century. What distinguishes Advaita from other forms of Vedanta is the belief that the Self or Soul (Atman) is identical to Brahman. Knowledge of this oneness of Atman and Brahman is full awareness. Advaita Vedanta also believes that this realization of Brahman is attainable while still living on Earth.

    All sources will say the same essential things.
     
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    SalixIncendium Ahaṁ Brahmāsmi
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    You missed my point entirely. :(
     
  17. Aupmanyav

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    I may not be an Advaitist in your book but you are still an Advaitist in my book, despite the differences. :D
    By your admission - you are an Advaitist, of whatever sort. Dont feel left out. Anyone denying it does not make any difference. :D
    In the lower Koshas one may have an inkling that there are higher koshas, but one will not understand them. As one climbs the steps, things become clearer. From the ground floor, one will not know what is on the fourth floor. One will know what is on the fourth floor only when one has been there. :)
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    It's hard to have a conversation when terms can mean whatever you want them to mean. Definitions facilitate a meaningful description of something.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Is Yogapedia saying something other than what I say? I would not use an ambiguous word like 'soul' for 'self'. Soul has many connotations, of God, of heaven, hell, rebirth, etc.; that is where the problems start. It is much more simpler than that. 'Aham Brasmasmi' (I am Brahman), 'Ayamatma Brahma' (This Self is Brahman), 'So Aham' (I am the same), 'Tat twam asi' (That is what you are), 'Dwiteeyo Nasti' (There is no second), 'Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma' (All things here are Brahman). It is so clearly mentioned in our books. Where is the doubt? One has to realize this.
     
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    Hey guys. I tried to convey this with a bit of obscure humor above, but clearly, the point was missed.

    This thread is about koshas, not what @George-ananda's and @Aupmanyav's opinion on what views qualify as Advaita Vedanta. If you two want to continue to debate this, please take it to a debate forum, as debating is not permitted in DIRs.

    And please, let's stay on topic.
     
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