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I didn't think so.sky87 said::sarcastic i haven't read many of the posts (only the first page) and im basically responding to some of those posts, but is there something wrong with what i said?
You're absolutely right. It's okay to offend Muhammad, but the moment you suggest that Jesus was only a mere prophet and not the carnation of God, you are threatened with damnation.sky87 said:...it has me very upset to see that people are ruthlessly insulting our prophet (pbuh) and are unable to understand and respect our religion
Muhammad is dead, and no more subject to being offended than a pet rock.Ibrahim Al-Amin said:It's okay to offend Muhammad, but ...
Ibrahim Al-Amin said:You're absolutely right. It's okay to offend Muhammad, but the moment you suggest that Jesus was only a mere prophet and not the carnation of God, you are threatened with damnation.
Ushta darkdaleDarkdale said:This is absurd.
It is naive to think that a vast majority of Muslims desire peace, simply because they are not participating in the violence. Their silence isn't because of a lack of media coverage, but a lack of real action. These Cartoons were NOT racist. They were a fair commentary on Islam, and all the violence that has followed has been a matter of these Muslims who simply cannot control themselves. :banghead3
I understand your desire to be understanding, but there is a difference between being understanding and naive. A cartoon should NEVER result in violence. Free Speech should never be fought with murder and hatred. I think people that are so offended by cartoons that they become violent are suffering from a kind of social sickness, a collective hysteria.
That is undoubtedly true. But let's look at the last 2,000 years and find violence that wasn't tied to Christianity or Islam. Your reference to "political violence," although you try to minimize its contribution, is the largest contributor to violence of all.Darkdale said:I find it hysterical because these two men are figureheads of violence. Let's go back through the last 2,000 years and find some violence that wasn't tied to Christianity or Islam. Well, you've got political violence, communism, and the cold war. *yawns* But Christians and Muslims have a very bloody history. Very bloody indeed.
Interesting. So your solution is to mimic the behaviour that you despise?ashai said:I say we treat Muslims in the same way they treat their minorities, make them pay a poll or protection tax, and make them grovel while doing it the same way they traditionally did to their minorities, let them be designed officially second class citizens, unable to work for thye government or in national defense. Let their testimony in court count for less than a Non-Muslims testimony and let any one who converts out of Islam inherit the whole state of the deceased parent. (Being civilized I will njot apply thye death penalty for those converting to Islam, that they apply to those Muslims converting to another religion or becoming atheists)
Is that the way the you want to get treated when you're dead? Dont you have any respect to your loved ones even though they have passed away? What if your father or mother died and people made fun of them, doesnt that break your heart? Muhammad may not be one of your loved ones, but he is our loved one, and we dont demand for anyone to respect Muhammad like we do, but at least dont insult him in front of us(if you want to insult Muhammad, insult him where no Muslims can hear you) and it should be alright. Although Muhammad (pbuh) is dead, we always say his name at least 9 times a day in our prayers. Thats how much we respect him.Jayhawker Soule said:Muhammad is dead, and no more subject to being offended than a pet rock.
That is a rather good point.Judgement Day said:Is that the way the you want to get treated when you're dead? Dont you have any respect to your loved ones even though they have passed away?
Very well said, often people say how religion brings nothing but violence, and at the moment, Islam seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism, but let us not forget the fact that the closest the world has came to complete destruction was during the cold war, a clash of political ideologies, absolutely nothing to do with religion.That is undoubtedly true. But let's look at the last 2,000 years and find violence that wasn't tied to Christianity or Islam. Your reference to "political violence," although you try to minimize its contribution, is the largest contributor to violence of all.
Ibrahim Al-Amin said:Interesting. So your solution is to mimic the behaviour that you despise?
ashai said:No my solution would be for the supposedly majority 'moderate ' Muslims, to take their religion back. But seeing that there is no signs that they ever will, I find it mos fair to treat them as they treat others.
Ibrahim Al-Amin said:That's weak, reactionary, and full of vengeance. From all of your venemous posts you obviously have intense anger against Muslims in general, and your posts are offensive to us "moderates" just trying to live our lives in peace.
Popeyesays said:Dear Ibrahim;
One should remember that Ashai is a Parsi, a follower of Zoroaster, and it has been many centuries that the Prasis have lived under an increasingly oppressive dhimmitude. A certain amount of venom is understandable. They won't get much sympathy from reactionary Muslims, so the moderates may have to do a little extra outreach effort and be more conciliatory. Zoroastrians should have far more tolerance under their protection as a "People of the Book" than they get under more conservative Muslim environments.
Regards,
Scott
Ibrahim Al-Amin said:You're right, and I entirely understand. And I will add that understanding and respect should go both ways.
Ibrahim Al-Amin said:You're right, and I entirely understand. And I will add that understanding and respect should go both ways.
ashai said:Ushta
And may I ask, if the treatment of religious minorities under islam is so fair enlightened and loving , why should you object to my suggesting that Muslims be treated the way they treat Copts, Zoroastrians, Jews, Bahais, Buddhists, Pagans and Atheists?
DoctorDeen said:The ongoing Danish cartoon controversy was ignited simply because those people do not know who the Prophet really was and think that Islam is a violent religion that incites its followers to kill anyone who is simply non-Muslim which is completely not true.It was therefore obligatory on me and every muslim in the world to spread the real image of Islam. Doing so, I put this website between your hands and you are free to decide what Islam really is. Please forward this message to all muslims and non-muslims you know .
YOURS TRULY,DOCTOR DEEN