McBell
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what does this have to do with Eric The God-Eating Magic Penguin?The diet of penguins however is fish. Therefore, you seem to be declaring God is a fish.
"So if she.. weighs the same as a duck... she's made of wood!"
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what does this have to do with Eric The God-Eating Magic Penguin?The diet of penguins however is fish. Therefore, you seem to be declaring God is a fish.
"So if she.. weighs the same as a duck... she's made of wood!"
Not my conclusion. But hey, I am from this world (meaning my conclusion might always change)Therefore change is true? Or possibly put in different words: The only truth is change?
But we are an illusion. And that's the whole problem here. Everything we think we are, is a construct of our minds. It's not who we really are. The way to see God, is to die to that. So until that death occurs, we live in an illusion of the mind.It’s more on the lines:
Without God’s vision we would not have an exact value.
Without an exact value we would be an illusion.
We aren’t an illusion.
Therefore God exists.
It's an interesting idea, Link. For me ( and I'm not saying this is healthy ) I view myself thru other people's reactions to me. The collective defines what's real ... for me. It could be a problem... I'll spend some time thinking about what you said, though.(1) How we know we have an exact precise value to who we are.
When it comes to seeing ourselves to be real, it can't be physical proven. We can proven that we believe we are real and further more, if we assess our belief, we find the justification for this, is through something that is beyond the five senses.
When I am talking about who we are, who we are even if you believe is generated by a physical thing is not a physical thing, in this case, if naturalism was true, it would be a program. The program and the experience is non-physical. Although it can be argued all things are in fact word/idea/light type existence and physical is an illusion, I will not be relying on this since that is a different way to prove God.
We will assume physical world is possible or naturalism may be true in this premise - while the conclusion refutes naturalism, we aren't asserting it as impossible now.
To know we have an exact value, is to believe, like when you see the sun, it has an exact measurement though you may not know what is through observation. There is light being provided through our selves, we see it to be real, but we don't our exact reality. The fact we don't know our exact reality doesn't change that we do know we have an exact reality.
To prove we have this knowledge, see when you praise another human for an action or past actions. You believe their actions and who they are - are connected. You believe their deeds some how built who they are in truth. That truth is a reality, precise and exact and relies on a judgment that is not possible to err. Later on we will be looking how that judgment has to be God and also we will be looking at how this exact value and vision of it is necessary by something.
You can see it for every action you've done - you believe they form part of who you are. Yes, there is redemption and regret which erases when done together, bad deeds, but negative deeds also we can see deconstruct what we build from good deeds.
Some evil deeds are such that they nullify all good deeds, like murder, if you murder purposely and out of malice, no matter how much good deeds you've done, they don't amount to anything anymore.
This reality - is that we believe who we are and actions, of different types, with different intentions and states, directly build who we are or deconstruct us.
Is this belief grounded, or is an illusion? The only way to know is to look within and see who you are. Furthermore, to add that we know we have an exact value is to say we can't even estimate or draw a fuzzy picture of who we are without knowledge that we have an exact value or it would be totally misguidance. Whenever we attempt to do this, we do so with belief there is an exact value. Of course, to know we aren't deluded is to know we are fully justified to estimate or have some sense of self with respect to our deeds.
You can see it yourself, if you believe nothing is there, you won't even try to say you are justified in estimating! Estimate to what? Close to what? It would be an illusion like I briefly explained in my video.
To say we require vision to who we are, is to say who we are is not a physical thing. It's not like a physical object. Our traits like the amount of honor or love or generosity, all this, is not a physical state, although our physical brains are related to this, it's not measured by physical qualities. Our level of height to who we are, and where we are and the beauty of who we are, all this, is non-physical.
This simply to demonstrate who we are and vision, is required, whether we are that generates this vision or God, is not what is being debated in this post. Just the premise who we are requires vision.
So far, I've proven "we know we have an exact value", and proven "who we are requires vision to properly exist".
I will go to 4 next, then will go back to 3 which is just additional support for 1.
As for why we need a perfect judge, just imagine being judged by another human and him telling you this is exactly what you are, you would be repulsed. And now imagine Aliens much more intelligent then you judging you, you would be repulsed. In fact, see that in your heart, you won't accept any fully accurate view of who you are but God himself, and as for the witness who witness to be a proof on the day of judgment, they witness through God but even them, they don't know us fully and God has hidden to them a degree of who we are and all are actions to some degree are hidden. They see our actions and knows us better then ourselves true, but see that, only God can fully accurately see who we are.
You when you try to judge yourself find yourself lost on where to be really begin, and it's been hard all your life to have a perspective. You aren't certain and you have ball bark understanding and even not sure if you are right about that. This while if you exist and who you are is a reality, it has an exact measurement, and God knows and measures all images and actions of souls.