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Featured KJV "OT" quoters: a recommendation ...

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jayhawker Soule, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    I have no clue what this is suppose to mean. Do you?
     
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    You would need to ask someone else. All I know is that if it differs from the Church's version it's wrong.
     
  3. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    The point I was trying to make is that when one speaks of absolute certainty when it comes to interpretation, they are basically sounding as if they're a prophet.

    More the latter. One of the commonly heard sayings is "if an interpretation defies reason, go with reason and look for alternative interpretations". Of course what's "reason" to one person may not at all be reasonable to another.
     
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  4. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Which churches version?
     
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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    It's quite easy.

    Christians

    Are

    Not

    Jewish

    So why would we use Jewish interpretations?
     
  6. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Intellectual honesty.
     
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  7. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Yeah you could use some of it.

    Christianity and the Jewish faith are completely separate. Or else there would be no need to distinguish.
     
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  8. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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    I think that I do take their interpretations into consideration, and it is the correct thing to do if we are going to say that we are Bible-based. Consider this couple verses in Romans about it: "What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God." (Romans 3:1-2) This also bears out historically as they have kept the written words very carefully, so I don't see why any Christian would want to evade Jewish interpretations.
     
  9. Father

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    the book is 4000 years old. the odds of it not being changed at some point if very slim.
     
  10. Father

    Father Devourer of Truth

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    yeah, know im not of an Abrahamic faith. but I put Creedence in that whole "Gods chosen people" I mean most Nobel prize winners great scientists and head bankers are Jewish. they seem to be winning the game quite a bit. if there is an Abrahamic God I would give them my word too.
     
  11. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    It's easy to start doing that. However if you believe in the Holy Spirit folks feel certainty in that guidance.

    Most Christians I've discussed these things with, it's more the former. In my experience, research, discussions, there's very little cross-over between Jewish and Christian theology.

    So there seems very little point in Judaism making this argument about Christianity.
     
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    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    Many of whom are atheist. What does that tell you?
     
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    They are available on line free:

    The Tanakh [Full Text]
     
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  14. Father

    Father Devourer of Truth

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    that its the blood? maybe i should become a vampire and only drink jewish blood
     
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    That site uses the 1917 JPS version which relies heavily on the KJV.

    If one wants a full English version online, one could use the Sefaria.org version, or the chabad.org site which has the Judaica Press version.
     
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    "God's chosen people" is a goal for Jews rather than a claim, from what I am told. Its not a good reason for using Jewish scriptures unless you're a Christian. The explanation would be long, but Christian belief that Jews are blessed relates to believing Elijah has come in a specifically Christian non literal way. For Jews its supposed to be a long term goal (I guess) to achieve a crown of glory, however to the Christian they are the preservers of scripture for everyone's sakes. What complicates this a tad is that some Christians consider themselves to be Jews, for example messianic Christians and Roman Catholic priests. I'm not precisely sure about the full history of that situation, but going by that quote from Romans the circumcised are looked at like...a computer database of scripture. No doubt at the time of Roman's writing they were the go-to people for scripture questions.
     
  17. Jayhawker Soule

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    No doubt, but that is not the question here.
     
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    Errr...... ok...... go on....
    Oh great one..... Old-B listeneth to thy words....
    Isaiah {29:4} And thou shalt be brought down, [and] shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust,
    Why?..... does it irritate you?
    Deuteronomy {4:44} And this is the law which the Jayhawker set before the children of RF....
    Deuteronomy {9:4} Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee............

    :p
     
  19. Jayhawker Soule

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    That statement is stupid on the face of it but, more to the point, it is irrelevant.
     
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    Yes, as I said it appears he was, contrary to my initial guess.
     
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