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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by OtherSheep, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. OtherSheep

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    Jesus, when asked which laws to keep in order to inhert eternal life, quotes from the 10 commandments. The new things have to do with the law as it appears when it is written upon our hearts. Those who don't apprehend this doctrine have not been born from above... they don't see the Kingdom Gospel as relevant. Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system of the law, because He knew the temple was about to fall. He replaces the entire system with two words: Repent and Forgive.

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    How many people flatly refuse to repent when they've injured you, but still call themselves a follower of Christ and someone who hears Jesus' voice? Do they think God will hear their prayers, when they stand at the altar in their hearts? Leave there your gift, and go. Make peace with the one on whom you've made the war. Then come offer your gift. Isn't your gift your prayers, minus the temple? Will God honor the prayers of someone who never honored His words by doing them?
     
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    Paul claimed to be a Pharisee of Pharisees, and first tried to preach his false gospel to the Jews. He was rebuked and run out of Jerusalem. The Gentiles were just used to make Israel jealous, as with Hosea taking an adulterous wife for "many days" until the "sons of Israel return to seek the LORD their God and David their king" (Hosea 3).
     
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    God does not hear the prayer of the sinner. One must first repent and make restitution, and seek forgiveness from the one they wronged. Sinners have separated themselves from God.
     
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    What restitution could David have made for helping Bathsheba become an adulteress and virtually murdering her husband? Psalm 51 has David on his knees, after a time of failing to repent which was rotting his bones. David was a man after God's own heart because David knew how to pray, not because David never sinned.

    The definition of "sinner" has to mean the people who never decided to trust God and keep His commandments. ... Which is what your quote does say.

    John 9:31 "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him He heareth."
    1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

    This is said about people who believe God and keep His commandments, recognizing that the children of God do still sometimes sin... but "sinner" is no longer what defines them.

    18:21 Then came Peter to Him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
    18:35 So likewise shall My heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
     
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    Keep in mind that Shaul of Tarsus doesn't say that he "used to be" a Pharisee. He still was a Pharisee, by his own words.

    I believe that Shaul was sent by the Herodians and the Pharisees to finish the job he had started when he began making the followers of Jesus blaspheme, by torturing them. Now, he is making people blaspheme God, by calling the Law of God obsolete... which Barnabus (Hebrews) takes a step farther, and dares to call the Law faulty... which surely means that God is being blamed by these two men. Shaul went to the Gentiles to weed out the Lost Sheep of Israel and feed them the poison of his false gospel... and keep the Gentiles dead, in the process.

    The story of the Herodians bears thinking upon, since Shaul calls one of his relatives by that name. And the Herodians are nothing less than Edom and the Persian Jews... united as one in the book of Maccabees. God says he will have war with Amalek constantly... so what was that man doing forcing them to pretend to become the followers of God, at the point of a sword... or expulsion? And don't we see that same thing happening with the Roman church? Haven't there been fakes forced into the church by forced conversions, and haven't some of them risen through the ranks? Isn't that where the Inquisition came from? Surely, no God-fearing man would torture people for any reason, much less would they call it the work of God and condemn their own soul in the process. And isn't this the reason why the unbelievers say what they say about us... apart from the facts that we need to tell them?

    And since Shaul came from the precise area where Persian Zoroastrianism first shows up in Anatolia... and the "wise men from the east" are actually "Magi from Anatolia"... and the Magi taught Zoroastrianism... The fact is that we find the Pharisees being called Pharoschim from Persia. And the Talmud from Babylon pretty much replaces the Torah, these days... as does the Talmudic commentary of Shaul regarding the works of Jesus intend to replace the Kingdom Gospel which Jesus came to teach. ... I don't believe in coincidence.

    And unless the Kingdom Gospel is entirely separated from the lies of Shaul, the Kingdom Gospel has not much chance of saving anyone, either. ... Protecting Shaul is job #1 to editors, et al.
     
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    As with king Saul, Saul of Taurus was chosen to fulfill Scripture. That prophecy being Zechariah 11, whereas Paul, the preacher of the false gospel of grace, was fulfilling the role of the 2nd staff, known as "Favor", as in grace being in the favor of God. His role was in conjunction with the other staff Peter, and it was to shepherd the "flock doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). Peter would be the 2nd shepherd taken by the LORD to pasture the doomed flock. He is referred to as the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17).
     
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    David lost his kingdom. David's son, who had vowed to do the will of God, slept with David's concubines in front of all the people. David also lost his son by Bathsheba. According to Psalms 51:15, David also will "declare Thy praise". But first "O God" .. "deliver me from bloodguiltiness". David cast his own judgment/restitution, when he declared the rich man must pay the full price for the lamb taken from the poor man.
     
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    Peter is chosen by Jesus to feed Jesus' sheep... he can never be thought of as worthless. The sheep for the slaughter are blind. Peter has nothing to do with any of that. I see the worthless shepherd as the one which climbed in another way, other than by the Doorway of the Shepherd in John 10.
     
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    David didn't lose his kingdom. The kingdom was ripped out of the hands of Solomon's greedy and murderous son. That's when the Divided Kingdom came to be, and the Crown was held for Jesus to take hold of as the Shiloh who was to come.

    But yes, the son of adultery was left to die.
     
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    The "worthless shepherd", who "leaves the flock" (Zech 11:17)(Acts 15:7), to go to the Gentiles, is Peter. Peter is the "stumbling block to me (Mt 16:23). Paul is the lawless one of Mt 13:41, and Peter is the "stumbling block of Mt 13:41. Peter and Paul will help deceive those who "dwell on the earth", as the two horns of the beast, Constantine, until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:39) & (Rev 13:11-13). Zech 11 is about 3 shepherds who are annihilated in the same month/generation (Zech 11:8). They are Paul (Zech 11:10), Judas (Zech 11:13), 3 times and who would not feed, care, or tend my sheep (John 21:16) & (Zech 11:17).

    The "ravenous wolf", per Genesis 49:27 is Paul's tribe of Benjamin.
     
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    The Stumbling Block Defined

    Isaiah 28:14-19 "Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, ye afflicted men, and ye princes of this people that is in Jerusalem. 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with Hades, and agreements with death; if the rushing storm should pass, it shall not come upon us: we have made falsehood our hope, and by falsehood shall we be protected: 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on him shall by no means be ashamed. 17 And I will cause judgment to be for hope, and my compassion shall be for just measures, and ye that trust vainly in falsehood shall fall: for the storm shall by no means pass by you, 18 except it also take away your covenant of death, and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand: if the rushing storm should come upon you, ye shall be beaten down by it. 19 Whenever it shall pass by, it shall take you; morning by morning it shall pass by in the day, and in the night there shall be an evil hope." (The rushing storm is the overflowing flood of Daniel.)

    Matthew 21:42 "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them."
    (Falling on the stone is what Peter did... he never rejected the stumbling stone which is Jesus Christ... and he never made Jesus fall. It is wise to keep in mind that Peter was not yet breathed upon by the risen Lord.* Which would be a very odd thing for Jesus to do, if you were to be considered at all correct about your groundless dismissal of Peter.)

    The word translated as offend is also the stumblingblock, in the Greek.

    Matthew 13:41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" (iniquity is anomia, without law)

    Matthew 16:23 "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind Me, Satan: thou art an offence unto Me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

    Matthew 18:7 "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"

    1 John 2:10 "He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him."

    Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

    The Gospel to the Circumcision

    1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers (parepidemos=resident foreigner) scattered (diaspora) throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,"
    (Peter is speaking to the scattered tribes of Israel, dispersed in other nations)

    Matthew 16:15-19 "He saith to them, 'And ye -- who do ye say Me to be?' and Simon Peter answering said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' And Jesus answering said to him, 'Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but My Father who is in the heavens. 'And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'" *

    John 17 "'Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to Me, that they may be one as We; when I was with them in the world, I was keeping them in Thy name; those whom Thou hast given to Me I did guard, and none of them was destroyed, except the son of the destruction, that the Writing may be fulfilled." (The son of destruction is the son of perdition = Judas.)

    Therefore

    Peter is still the first Disciple-Apostle, since Jesus says nothing about losing anyone but Judas.
    In fact, according to your theory, the foundation in Revelation would be missing one apostle... which I hope everyone knows, cannot happen.

    Revelation 21:14 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

    If you're looking for people to make up that three-shepherd set, why not try the ones that Jesus pointed out?

    Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

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    * John 20:21-23 "Jesus, therefore, said to them again, 'Peace to you; according as the Father hath sent me, I also send you;' and this having said, He breathed on [them], and saith to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit; if of any ye may loose the sins, they are loosed to them; if of any ye may retain, they have been retained.'"
    (the 2nd time Jesus said this to Peter... well-after Peter was trying to keep Jesus from dying)

    16:24 "Then said Jesus unto His disciples, If any [man] will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."
     
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    I don’t think your quoting the false prophet Paul is going to get you any brownie points. Why don’t you quote Acts, supposedly written by Paul’s supposed friend Luke (Acts 15:7)? “By my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel”. Keep in mind that the “evil slave” is thrown in with the hypocrites. If Paul is a false prophet, and the son of the father of lies, why is he your go to guy to bolster your case for Peter? Isn't the dreamer of Zechariah 13:4 Peter, who had a vision of eating the unclean, and subsequently his followers eat the unclean.

    According to Isaiah 22:15-25, Peter is given the keys of the kingdom and was deposed, and his heir, the pope will "fall", and his followers will be "cut off".

    I am sorry but your misconceptions are legion, and I can only address some of them in a concise response.
     
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    The cross Yeshua was referring to was not of wood nor of grace, but that one must not "deny me" (Mt 10:33), and choose "me" over family (Mt 10:35-38). Did Peter deny "me" (Mt 10:33)? As for your Revelation foundation, Peter is a "worthless shepherd", and unlike Judas, was not replaced. Unlike the self professed apostle, the "false prophet" of Revelation, he is not relegated to the "lake of fire" (Rev 20-10). Satan asked to sift Peter, but that was to fulfill prophecy. Following Peter & Paul, the foundation stones of the "Christian" church is like building a house on sand (Mt 7). Sand, while generally made of quartz, does not make a good foundation. Possibly like quartz, Peter came through the fire, and was refined (Zech 13:9) into a useful glass product.
     
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    David was kicked out of Jerusalem, and took 10 tribes with him. The final reunification of the tribes, the house of Israel and the house of Judah, and, per Ezekiel 37 hasn't yet taken place. The 10 northern tribes remain scattered among the nations (Ez 36:24). Following the awesome day of the LORD, "My servant David will be king over them" (Ez 37:24), which is in reference to the stick of Israel and the stick of Judah (Ez 37:16) being reunited.
     
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    QUOTE="2ndpillar, post: 5733754, member: 51388"]
    According to Isaiah 22:15-25, Peter is given the keys of the kingdom and was deposed, and his heir, the pope will "fall", and his followers will be "cut off".
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    :rolleyes: For all of the rest of us, then...

    This is Actually about Jesus.

    Isaiah 22:20 And it hath come to pass, in that day, That I have called to My servant, To Eliakim (God of raising) son of Hilkiah (portion of Jah). And I have clothed Him with thy coat, And with thy girdle I strengthen Him, And thy garment I give into His hand, And He hath been for a father to the inhabitant of Jerusalem, And to the house of Judah. And I have placed the key Of the house of David on His shoulder, And he hath opened, and none is shutting, And hath shut, and none is opening. And I have fixed Him a nail in a stedfast place, And He hath been for a throne of honour To the house of His Father. And they have hanged on Him All the honour of the house of His Father, The offspring and the issue, All vessels of small quality, From vessels of basins to all vessels of flagons. In that day -- an affirmation of Jehovah of Hosts, Moved is the nail that is fixed In a stedfast place, Yea, it hath been cut down, and hath fallen, And cut off hath been the burden that [is] on it, For Jehovah hath spoken!'"

    Isaiah 9:6 "For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on His shoulder, And He doth call His name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace."

    Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.


    3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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    Obviously, the keys change hands, as may easily be seen by comparing Revelation 9:1 with Revelation 20:1; the reasons why are also transparent.

    Matthew 19:27-28 "Then answered Peter and said unto Him, 'Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?' And Jesus said unto them, 'Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'"
     
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    You appear to be using a JW version bible, which is written in such a way to give you leeway for your false impression. Isaiah 22:15-19 is about Peter, who made "a resting place in the rock" (Isaiah 22:16), and who was deposed for shaming "your master's house" (Is 22:18). His heir, the pope, would be entrusted with the authority of the original Shebna, and be driven like a peg in a firm place, and "in that day" "the peg driven in a firm place will give way, … and the load hanging on it will be cut off". This is in reference to Peter's heir, the pope, who will in the Day of the LORD, "fall" and those hanging on to him will be "cut off". NASB The pope will "fall" and his 1.2 billion Roman church followers, along with other followers, will apparently be "cut off" unless they follow the suggestion of Zech 2:7. You can't expect a house to weather a storm if it is built on sand (Mt 7:26).
     
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    Why not ask first, instead of attempting to kill the messenger by shoving him into a box?

    I use one of three translations, either the LXX, the KJV, or the YLT... if I'm using someone else's translation... sometimes, I go directly to the Greek... often, I use all of the above.

    Since you don't approve of my methods, and attempt to denigrate the results at every turn, it's hard to see why you bother with my poor threads. It's not like you have even the slightest chance of changing my mind, nor I yours.
     
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    Ezekiel 36:24-26 "And I have taken you out of the nations, And have gathered you out of all the lands, And I have brought you in unto your land, And I have sprinkled over you clean water, And ye have been clean; From all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, I do cleanse you. And I have given to you a new heart, And a new spirit I give in your midst, And I have turned aside the heart of stone out of your flesh, And I have given to you a heart of flesh."

    That obviously hasn't happened yet.

    And neither has any of this:


    Joel 2:31-3:2 "And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling! 3:1 For lo, in those days, and in that time, When I turn back [to] the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Then I have gathered all the nations, And caused them to go down unto the valley of Jehoshaphat..."

    Zechariah 14:1-5 "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst. And I have gathered all the nations unto Jerusalem to battle, And captured hath been the city, And spoiled have been the houses, And the women are lain with, Gone forth hath half the city in a removal, And the remnant of the people are not cut off from the city. And gone forth hath Jehovah, And He hath fought against those nations, As in the day of His fighting in a day of conflict. And stood have His feet, in that day, On the mount of Olives, That [is] before Jerusalem eastward, And cleft hath been the mount of Olives at its midst, To the east, and to the west, a very great valley, And removed hath the half of the mount towards the north. And its half towards the south. And ye have fled [to] the valley of My mountains, For join doth the valley of the mountains to Azal, And ye have fled as ye fled before the shaking, In the days of Uzziah king of Judah, And come in hath Jehovah My God, All holy ones [are] with Thee."

    Revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads." (3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee... 12 and I will write upon him the name of My God...)

    Revelation 16:19 "And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

    Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

    Revelation 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

    Mathew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!"
    John 1:11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
    Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, 'His blood [be] on us, and on our children.'
    Matthew 21:39 "And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him]. 21:40 When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?'
    21:41 They say unto Him, 'He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [His] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render Him the fruits in their seasons.'"
    Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, 'I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

    Matthew 23:34 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

    Matthew 22:4 Again, He sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared My dinner: My oxen and [My] fatlings [are] killed, and all things [are] ready: come unto the marriage. 22:5 But they made light of [it], and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 22:6 And the remnant took His servants, and entreated [them] spitefully, and slew [them]. 22:7 But when the King heard [thereof], He was wroth: and He sent forth His armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."

    Zechariah 14:11 "And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."
     
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    I suggest that you read all the translations for Isaiah 22:25, for none of them support your claim that it refers to Yeshua. Isaiah 22:25 In that day, declares the LORD of Hosts, the peg driven into a firm place will give way; it will be sheared off and fall, and the load upon it will be cut down." Indeed, the LORD has spoken. You picked the worst translation, and it still does not support your case. It might be helpful for you to take the quote in context.

    As for "shoving him into a box". "Him", referring to yourself, you come across as a she, and not a "him".
     
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    OK, if you think it'll help...

    Isaiah 22:1 What has happened to thee, that now ye are all gone up to the housetops which help you not? 2 The city is filled with shouting men: thy slain are not slain with swords, nor are thy dead those who have died in battle. 3 All thy princes have fled, and thy captives are tightly bound, and the mighty men in thee have fled far away. 4 Therefore I said, Let me alone, I will weep bitterly; labour not to comfort me for the breach of the daughter of my people. 5 For it is a day of trouble, and of destruction, and of treading down, and there is perplexity sent from the Lord of hosts: they wander in the valley of Sion; they wander from the least to the greatest on the mountains. 6 And the Elamites took their quivers, and there were men mounted on horses, and there was a gathering for battle. 7 And it shall be that thy choice valleys shall be filled with chariots, and horsemen shall block up thy gates. 8 And they shall uncover the gates of Juda, and they shall look in that day on the choice houses of the city. 9 And they shall uncover the secret places of the houses of the citadel of David: and they saw that they were many, and that one had turned the water of the old pool into the city; 10 and that they had pulled down the houses of Jerusalem, to fortify the wall of the city. 11 And ye procured to yourselves water between the two walls within the ancient pool: but ye looked not to Him that made it from the beginning, and regarded not Him that created it. 12 And the Lord, the Lord of hosts, called in that day for weeping, and lamentation, and baldness, and for girding with sackcloth: 13 but they engaged in joy and gladness, slaying calves, and killing sheep, so as to eat flesh, and drink wine; saying, Let us eat and drink; for to-morrow we die. 14 And these things are revealed in the ears of the Lord of hosts: for this sin shall not be forgiven you, until ye die.

    15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Go into the chamber, to Somnas the treasurer, and say to him, Why art thou here? 16 and what hast thou to do here, that thou hast here hewn thyself a sepulchre, and madest thyself a sepulchre on high, and hast graven for thyself a dwelling in the rock? 17 Behold now, the Lord of hosts casts forth and will utterly destroy such a man, and will take away thy robe and thy glorious crown, 18 and will cast thee into a great and unmeasured land, and there thou shalt die: and he will bring thy fair chariot to shame, and the house of thy prince to be trodden down. 19 And thou shalt be removed from thy stewardship, and from thy place. 20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Chelcias: 21 and I will put on Him thy robe, and I will grant Him thy crown with power, and I will give thy stewardship into His hands: and He shall be as a father to them that dwell in Jerusalem, and to them that dwell in Juda. 22 And I will give Him the glory of David; and He shall rule, and there shall be none to speak against Him: and I will give Him the key of the house of David upon His shoulder; and He shall open, and there shall be none to shut; and He shall shut, and there shall be none to open. 23 And I will make Him a ruler in a sure place, and He shall be for a glorious throne of His Father’s house. 24 And every one that is glorious in the house of His Father shall trust in Him, from the least to the greatest; and they shall depend upon Him in that day. 25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, The man that is fastened in the sure place shall be removed and be taken away, and shall fall; and the glory that is upon Him shall be utterly destroyed: for the Lord has spoken it. [crucifixion]

    30:9 For the people is disobedient, false children, who would not hear the law of God: 10 who say to the prophets, Report not to us; and to them that see visions, Speak them not to us, but speak and report to us another error; 11 and turn us aside from this way; remove from us this path, and remove from us the oracle of Israel. [Matthew 23:34-37, 21:39-41, 22:4-7]

    12 Therefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye have refused to obey these words, and have trusted in falsehood; and because thou hast murmured, and been confident in this respect: 13 therefore shall this sin be to you as a wall suddenly falling when a strong city has been taken, of which the fall is very near at hand. 14 And the fall thereof shall be as the breaking of an earthen vessel, as small fragments of a pitcher, so that thou shouldest not find among them a sherd, with which thou mightest take up fire, and with which thou shouldest draw a little water. 15 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy Lord of Israel; When thou shalt turn and mourn, then thou shalt be saved; and thou shalt know where thou wast, when thou didst trust in vanities: then your strength became vain, yet ye would not hearken: 16 but ye said, We will flee upon horses; therefore shall ye flee: and, We will be aided by swift riders; therefore shall they that pursue you be swift. 17 A thousand shall flee because of the voice of one, and many shall flee on account of the voice of five; until ye be left as a signal-post upon a mountain, and as one bearing an ensign upon a hill.

    18 And the Lord will again wait, that He may pity you, and will therefore be exalted that He may have mercy upon you: because the Lord your God is a judge: blessed are they that stay themselves upon him.

    19 For the holy people shall dwell in Sion: and whereas Jerusalem has wept bitterly, saying, Pity me; He shall pity thee: when He perceived the voice of thy cry, He hearkened to thee. 20 And though the Lord shall give you the bread of affliction and scant water, yet they that cause thee to err shall no more at all draw nigh to thee; for thine eyes shall see those that cause thee to err, 21 and thine ears shall hear the words of them that went after thee to lead thee astray, who say, This is the way, let us walk in it, whether to the right or to the left. 22 And thou shalt pollute the plated idols, and thou shalt grind to powder the gilt ones, and shalt scatter them as the water of a removed woman, and thou shalt thrust them forth as dung..."[LLX]

    Matthew 21:44 "And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."[KJV]
    Daniel 2:34 "Thou sawest until a stone was cut out of a mountain without hands, and it smote the image upon its feet of iron and earthenware, and utterly reduced them to powder."[LXX]
    Revelation 2:27 "And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father."[KJV]


    Vive la différence! :cool:
     
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