King George Government

[Kenny]

Indiana appeals court: Parents don't need to know about minor teens' abortions

So, who is King over our children?

Since WHEN does the government decide that a parent "doesn't need to know" when their child is going through a MAJOR operation?

This is OUTRAGEOUS! Judicial activism gone haywire.

Next thing is that they will want to teach your children as their parents.

 

[MikeDwight]

Who's "king George" government? Some odd appeal to the American revolution's tyrannical King George? Seems like people only study politics during personal crises. #lazy.

I never think about it. Its so far away from me. Its a medical procedure. A daughter crashes on the road, they treat the injuries.

 

[Altfish]

Indiana appeals court: Parents don't need to know about minor teens' abortions

So, who is King over our children?

Since WHEN does the government decide that a parent "doesn't need to know" when their child is going through a MAJOR operation?

This is OUTRAGEOUS! Judicial activism gone haywire.

Next thing is that they will want to teach your children as their parents.

You do realise that that has been deemed as Fake News

 

[HonestJoe]

Indiana appeals court: Parents don't need to know about minor teens' abortions

Why did you link an obviously biased campaign organisation making unsupported claims about the ruling rather than the mainstream news report which directly links the actual text of the ruling itself? Do you want people to blindly accept your opinion or do you want them to look at the raw facts and reach their own conclusions?

Appeals court upholds injunction on Indiana abortion law | FOX 28 Spokane

 

[Kenny]

You do realise that that has been deemed as Fake News

Really? Could you please post the corrected version?

 

[Kenny]

Why did you link an obviously biased campaign organisation making unsupported claims about the ruling rather than the mainstream news report which directly links the actual text of the ruling itself? Do you want people to blindly accept your opinion or do you want them to look at the raw facts and reach their own conclusions?

Appeals court upholds injunction on Indiana abortion law | FOX 28 Spokane

Unsupported????

Appeals court upholds ruling that blocks parental consent for Indiana youth abortions

That translates into "abortion without parental knowledge".

 

[Kenny]

H.S. Helps Teen Skip Class for Abortion

And the parents had no knowledge!

 

[Altfish]

Really? Could you please post the corrected version?

It says at the top of the linked page "Facebook has.... labelled it False News" (False not Fake - sorry)

 

[MikeDwight]

H.S. Helps Teen Skip Class for Abortion

And the parents had no knowledge!

Well OK I'm just mad that if I wanted to get out of Highschool, and some little office where they make the slips of paper that get out of jail, like give me your excuse for getting out today, I gotta get unpregnant, my parents just died, and the aliens are invading, no.

 

[HonestJoe]

Unsupported????

I was talking about the expanding narrative that made up the bulk of the article you linked, which made all sorts of assumptions and accusations off the back of the ruling. It was clearly an unashamedly biased source and therefore not especially trustworthy in its statements. In honest discussion of a topic is much better served by using neutral reporting and primary sources whenever possible.

That translates into "abortion without parental knowledge".

In very specific and rare circumstances. Reading the text of the actual ruling, which was available in the article I linked, is vital for a proper understanding of the situation.

 

[Kenny]

It says at the top of the linked page "Facebook has.... labelled it False News" (False not Fake - sorry)

So... we repeat what we see "Facebook" says as truth?

#7

 

[Altfish]

So... we repeat what we see "Facebook" says as truth?

#7

Not necessarily but for a site to be flagged by them raises concerns. And since it has all been debunked as lies (Why don't Christians abide by the ten commandments??) I would consider in this case that Facebook is correct to flag it.

 

[sun rise]

MAJOR operation?

MAJOR? Hardly. I know MAJOR - surgery for a broken hip. Cancer surgery. Brain surgery. Those are MAJOR.

 

[Terry Sampson]

From the 7th District Court of Appeals Opinion, ARGUED JANUARY 5, 2018 — DECIDED AUGUST 27, 2019

• Indiana statutes have long provided a fast and confidential judicial bypass procedure that is supposed to allow a small fraction of pregnant, unemancipated minors seeking abortions to obtain them without the consent of or notice to their parents, guardians, or custodians.
• In 2017, Indiana added a parental notification requirement to the judicial bypass statute. Before the law took effect, plaintiff Planned Parenthood of Indiana and Kentucky, Inc. sued to enjoin its enforcement.
• In a careful opinion, the district court issued a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the new law’s notice requirements. Planned Parenthood of Indiana & Kentucky, Inc. v. Commissioner, 258 F. Supp. 3d 929, 956 (S.D. Ind. 2017).
• The defendant state officials have appealed a portion of the preliminary injunction.
• In light of the lopsided factual record, the deferential standard of review, and the preliminary status of the findings of fact and conclusions of law, we affirm.
• Summary: 7th District Court of Appeals affirmed preliminary injunction against enforcement of new law’s notice requirements.

IN INDIANA:

1. General rule: As a general rule, Indiana prohibits physicians from performing abortions for unemancipated minors without the written consent of the minor’s parent, legal guardian, or custodian.
2. Exception to the rule: The law provides an exception, however, so that a minor who objects to the consent requirement or whose parent, guardian, or custodian refuses to consent may petition a juvenile court for a waiver of the consent requirement.
   • Known as a judicial bypass, this procedure permits the minor to obtain an abortion without parental consent if the court finds either that she is mature enough to make the abortion decision independently or that an abortion is in her best interests.

• In 2017, the Indiana General Assembly enacted Public Law 173-2017, also known as Senate Enrolled Act 404, which amended the parental consent and judicial bypass statutes in several ways.
• This appeal focuses on one new requirement for the judicial bypass process. Even if a judge concludes that a parent need not consent to the abortion, either because the unemancipated minor is mature enough to make her own decision or because the abortion is in her best interests, and even though the bypass process is supposed to be confidential per Bellotti, parents still must be given prior notice of the planned abortion unless the judge also finds such notice is not in the minor’s “best interests.”
• A bypass court “shall waive the requirement of parental notification under subsection (d) if the court finds that obtaining an abortion without parental notification is in the best interests of the unemancipated pregnant minor.” That difference in language is important. Unlike the judicial bypass of the parental consent requirement, which may be based on either maturity or best interests, judicial bypass of notice may be based only on “best interests.”

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It does seem to me that not all parents can even be trusted with the news of the pregnancy of their under-age teen. There have been "honour killings" in both Canada and the United States by parents (often from minority communities) of daughters who have been caught dating -- let alone getting pregnant! Granted such killings are illegal, but that doesn't help the dead daughter, and probably only makes things worse for siblings who have to cope while the enraged parent serves a lengthy sentence.

There's never anything so bad that some of us can't find ways to make it worse.

 

[PureX]

Indiana appeals court: Parents don't need to know about minor teens' abortions

So, who is King over our children?

Since WHEN does the government decide that a parent "doesn't need to know" when their child is going through a MAJOR operation?

When the parent got their underage daughter pregnant, perhaps. Or when the parent wants to force her to have a child that she doesn't want to have. Or when the parents wants to force their daughter to accept serious medical risk based on the parent's religious beliefs. Parenting is not sacrosanct. There are a lot of really bad parents out there.

 

[Kenny]

Not necessarily but for a site to be flagged by them raises concerns. And since it has all been debunked as lies (Why don't Christians abide by the ten commandments??) I would consider in this case that Facebook is correct to flag it.

Yes... they also flag "abortion" and other conservative views.

 

[Kenny]

MAJOR? Hardly. I know MAJOR - surgery for a broken hip. Cancer surgery. Brain surgery. Those are MAJOR.

Then you have no idea...

https://www.lifenews.com/2013/02/08/woman-dies-after-botched-33-week-abortion-takes-her-life/

Family Seeks Answers After Woman's Death Following Abortion

Abortion procedure caused death of Riverside woman, lawsuit alleges

Just like filling a cavity, in your view.

 

[Kenny]

When the parent got their underage daughter pregnant, perhaps. Or when the parent wants to force her to have a child that she doesn't want to have. Or when the parents wants to force their daughter to accept serious medical risk based on the parent's religious beliefs. Parenting is not sacrosanct. There are a lot of really bad parents out there.

The government is still not the parent. Especially when the school wants to force them to have an abortion, the parents want to help the child so that they are informed of the medical risks. Government is not sacrosanct and there are A LOT of REALLY BAD GOVERNMENT efforts out there.

 

[sun rise]

Then you have no idea...

https://www.lifenews.com/2013/02/08/woman-dies-after-botched-33-week-abortion-takes-her-life/

Family Seeks Answers After Woman's Death Following Abortion

Abortion procedure caused death of Riverside woman, lawsuit alleges

Just like filling a cavity, in your view.

The "cavity" in my view is no cavity. It was formed by being with my wife in the ICU after very serious cancer surgery. Abortion in some rare situations can be problematical. 99% of the time it's safe.