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Killer on death row is denied painless death by Supreme Court

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Nowhere Man, Apr 1, 2019.

  1. Shaul

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    But that isn’t the choice. The goal is never to accept innocent people being executed. That is why all reasonable measures are taken to prevent them. But if by focusing solely on those innocently die by execution we ignore the larger number that die due to the lack of the deterrent we make a greater error.
     
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    Why would you think that? It is certainly possible for a Jew to be in favor of a well regulated death penalty.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    All kidding aside, if I had committed a crime that warranted the death penalty, then I, too, would want to face my executioners in a firing squad.


    Really? Who cares what that person thinks. They relinquished their rights to an opinion when they took the life of another.

    No one is ever executed the same day that they are sentenced, it's usually years before that happens. This is more than enough time to recant. And if I'm not mistaken, a death sentence requires an automatic appeal.
     
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    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    This is wonderful...so many frubals regarding my execution.
    I feel so appreciated!
     
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    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    If we could find another condemned prisoner, maybe we could get a 3-for-the-price-of-2 discount?
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    I'm not suggesting any specific confession was coerced, I'm mentioning the general possibility. And yes, we can argue about time to recant and all, but for every chance to recant, there's a chance to bury evidence, have bad legal representation, face corrupt or incompetent judges or jury. There's just too much room for error that we should use capital punishment. IMHO.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    No false dichotomy at all. A. if the state isn't killing people, any deaths aren't being carried out in my name, and B. Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone gets murdered, that's one innocent life lost. If another innocent person gets executed, for the crime, we're up to two innocent lives lost. Better not to have executed anyone and cut loses at one.
     
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    You have ironclad evidence that the death penalty deters more murderers than the number of people who die from wrongful execution? Frankly, I doubt you do.

    Even if, for the sake of argument, you DID have such evidence, I'd still find such number based justification a bit questionable. I'm not sure that executing any number of innocent people is acceptable, even if you absolutely can show that it saves lives. It would be an interesting point to discuss, sure, but I'm not sure such fundamentalist Utilitarianism is a valid philosophy. But let's see your evidence first.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Maybe in your opinion.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    The death penalty, like any other form of punishment, was never meant to be a deterrent; it was meant to be justice. There is not one law out there that will stop anyone from committing that particular crime. This is why we have well defined guidelines such as if you steal you are going to jail,or if you kill you run the risk of being killed yourself. If laws could deter crime, then we wouldn't need them.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Not having broken any state or federal laws entitles me to an opinion concerning those who have stepped over the line. I can never understand how otherwise liberal thinkers can be so sensitive to the feelings and rights of some lowlife miscreant and never stop to consider the feelings and rights of that animal's victims.
     
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    Ok, we don't require that in other things. However, we SHOULD require that in the death penalty. Consider 'Blackstone's ratio.." that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent should suffer..."

    But hey. Blackstone was British. What did the US founding fathers say? Benjamin Franklin stepped it up a notch; better that a hundred guilty persons should go free than that one innocent should suffer.

    Well, we can't be 100% sure that every person we convict of murder is actually guilty of it, but we can be sure that we don't ever execute an innocent person.

    Which is why I support the death penalty ONLY when the accused as confessed AND there is plenty of forensic/physical evidence to prove guilt AND the accused actually requests death.

    Well, that's one reason. The other one is that I think that life without the possibility of parole in a high security prison is nastier than the death penalty.

    I mean, really....when one dies, whether one is a theist or not, that's the end of the 'worldly' punishment. It's over. There are some fates over which death is preferable, and I think....that a permanent banishment from human culture (warehoused in prison) would be one of those.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Maybe there some Scottish in your family tree...
     
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    Very helpful.
     
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    I wouldn't know, I'm not a liberal thinker. I do consider myself a decent human being, however.
     
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    Justice Ginsburg would agree.

    “People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty,” said Justice Ginsburg. “I have yet to see a death case among the dozens coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of-execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial.”
     
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    The effects of carrying out a death sentence go far beyond the person whose life has been extinguished. Consider the 'executioner'.
    "You sentenced a guy to be executed. You give him a trial, then you send him to me to be put to death. Then later on you [say] that this guy was innocent. You didn’t put him to death. I did. I performed the execution. So you might suffer a little. I’m going to suffer a lot, because I performed the job,"

    --Jerry Givens, retired Executioner, Virginia Department of Corrections

    http://www.ncadp.org/pages/harm-to-prison-workers

    "These officers, they get to know these inmates," he explained.

    "Twenty-four hours a day they work with these inmates. They feed them. They take them to get their showers, they take them for exercise. They stand in front of their cells and they talk to them when they feel lonely," McAndrew said.

    "The only persons that the inmates know are the officers. Suddenly it's the same officer who's taking them to another room to kill them."

    "The experience is something that will stay with you for a long time; I don't think it ever goes away."

    Serial executions take toll on executioners too, critics say
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    The death penalty is not a good deterrent.
    Once a person has murdered, then they might choose to murder to avoid capture, again and again. You can only get zapped once.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    As do I.
     
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