Keep fingers crossed, another whack at Obamacare

[Twilight Hue]

We almost have the votes to do it, and I doubt any of us will ever give up until it's repealed.

Senator says he nearly has the votes for ObamaCare repeal

 

[Twilight Hue]

So as a Buddhist you enjoy the notion of Americans having more suffering????

Suffering is going about things the wrong way. Sometimes involving multiple facets for which suffering is expanded beyond its principal cause.

Obamacare is just not the right approach. I don't think it ever was intended to be. To date it hasn't solved any issues. For the few benefits, many more are paying the price.

Once Obamacare is killed, maybe the lessons learned as to how not to go about things will be instrumental for the formation and institution of a healthcare system that we can all live with and benefit from.

When that day will come I do not know.

 

[Vee]

We almost have the votes to do it, and I doubt any of us will ever give up until it's repealed.

Senator says he nearly has the votes for ObamaCare repeal

And what would it be replaced with? Isn't that the most important question to ask?
Don't be too keen on replacing something bad with something potentially worse .

 

[Twilight Hue]

And what would it be replaced with? Isn't that the most important question to ask?
Don't be too keen on replacing something bad with something potentially worse .

That's always a possibility, People already talk about how we had a working more affordable system prior to Obamacare. Those that couldn't, we all know Medicare and Medicaid, as well as instituted laws would not allow critical care to go untreated for anybody who walks in the doors of a hospital with a life-threatening condition.

This whole thing is about money. Not Healthcare.

We need something truly affordable for everyone. Not just those who are disadvantaged.

 

[Vee]

This whole thing is about money. Not Healthcare.

And that is exactly the root of the problem. Unless that is fixed, whatever comes next will be more of the same: expensive, non accessible to people with low/medium income, unsustainable in the long term.

 

[Revoltingest]

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[Twilight Hue]

And that is exactly the root of the problem. Unless that is fixed, whatever comes next will be more of the same: expensive, non accessible to people with low/medium income, unsustainable in the long term.

That's true.

But considering my financial picture since my health issues started, my deductibles have gone in excess of $7,000 which I have to pay out of pocket. I think that's pretty unsustainable in the long-term too. In fact, my finances have been devastated now.

I hate Obamacare, and I want to see it die.

 

[leibowde84]

We almost have the votes to do it, and I doubt any of us will ever give up until it's repealed.

Senator says he nearly has the votes for ObamaCare repeal

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt he even has 43 votes. But, only time will tell. Personally I hope it fails. And, seeing how the GOP has been inept since Trump's election, I am not worried about it.

 

[Vee]

That's true.

But considering my financial picture since my health issues started, my deductibles have gone in excess of $7,000 which I have to pay out of pocket. I think that's pretty unsustainable in the long-term too. In fact, my finances have been devastated now.

I hate Obamacare, and I want to see it die.

7000$ ??? That's insane. I understand why you would want to get rid of it.
Here in France we are lucky to still have a pretty good health system. Social security covers most of the health charges and private insurance does the rest, but over here that kind of insurance is highly regulated and companies are not allowed to increase rates as they please. There are caps and market rules they have to respect.
To give you an idea, if I go to a GP is France, no matter Which GP or where the office is located, the price is 23€ for the appointment. I get refunded 18€ from social security and the rest from my insurance so I'm covered 100%.
If I go to the dentist to treat a cavity I pay 83€. Social security gives me back about 50€, the insurance refunds another 20 something so I end up paying the difference, which is not a lot. Some insurances cover everything but they are more expensive. The one I have is affordable and covers my needs well.
This is not a perfect system but it covers all necessary treatments. The only times I have to put the totality out of my pocket is if I do something that is considered not health related, like teeth whitening or a peeling, for example - those are aesthetic.
We do pay a lot of taxes but at least we get the health care we need. Nobody here loses their house in order to pay for a cancer treatment. Needed care is not refused because of the fine lines in the insurance contract.

 

[YmirGF]

From the Canadian view, the problem is running medical facilities as for-profit businesses. Get rid of that aspect and things will change over night. As I see it, for-profit medicine is a distinct conflict of interest.

 

[Twilight Hue]

7000$ ??? That's insane. I understand why you would want to get rid of it.
Here in France we are lucky to still have a pretty good health system. Social security covers most of the health charges and private insurance does the rest, but over here that kind of insurance is highly regulated and companies are not allowed to increase rates as they please. There are caps and market rules they have to respect.
To give you an idea, if I go to a GP is France, no matter Which GP or where the office is located, the price is 23€ for the appointment. I get refunded 18€ from social security and the rest from my insurance so I'm covered 100%.
If I go to the dentist to treat a cavity I pay 83€. Social security gives me back about 50€, the insurance refunds another 20 something so I end up paying the difference, which is not a lot. Some insurances cover everything but they are more expensive. The one I have is affordable and covers my needs well.
This is not a perfect system but it covers all necessary treatments. The only times I have to put the totality out of my pocket is if I do something that is considered not health related, like teeth whitening or a peeling, for example - those are aesthetic.
We do pay a lot of taxes but at least we get the health care we need. Nobody here loses their house in order to pay for a cancer treatment. Needed care is not refused because of the fine lines in the insurance contract.

Yep and I got the bills to prove it. Because of Obamacare, deductibles for middle class are skyrocket high. It's definitely enough to destroy a family's economic stability and is a fast road to impoverishment. Get enough people into the same situation and nobody will be able to fund Obamacare.

Personally it's my opinion that Obama is actually supporting big Pharma and the Juggernaut Healthcare industry. The profits they make off of insurance now because of Obamacare is phenomenal. A lot of people in high tier Health Care are making millions, if not billions now because of the mandate.

The irony is insurance companies actually are betrayed,. Forcing to make payments for the Juggernaut out of control healthcare industry and Big Pharma.

The funny thing is since I spend my work days primarily in Canada, I find their particular system of healthcare appealing although it's clearly going to Skyrocket taxes. But I would take their system over what we have in the US any day of the week. I could see some compromise, but I feel that we have to get rid of Obamacare first with extreme prejudice, or at least heavily modify it so middle class people don't keep ending up in the type of situation I'm facing.

I figure to actually kill Obamacare, if these votes don't pass, is to just wait till out of pocket costs increase further, putting more people into impoverishment over insanely high deductibles, and maybe then more people will start seeing the light and do something about it.

In the meantime I'm waiting in anticipation for this horrible program to end.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt he even has 43 votes. But, only time will tell. Personally I hope it fails. And, seeing how the GOP has been inept since Trump's election, I am not worried about it.

Even if it does we're not going to stop trying. Ever.

 

[YmirGF]

I figure to actually kill Obamacare, if these votes don't pass, is to just wait till out of pocket costs increase further, putting more people into impoverishment over insanely high deductibles, and maybe then more people will start seeing the light and do something about it.

In the meantime I'm waiting in anticipation for this horrible program to end.

That is one aspect, simply wait it out and let it collapse all by itself. The downside to that is that people like you will be homeless and living in your cars before the final death knell hits. So, clearly, something has to be done.

 

[Twilight Hue]

From the Canadian view, the problem is running medical facilities as for-profit businesses. Get rid of that aspect and things will change over night. As I see it, for-profit medicine is a distinct conflict of interest.

You know the only complaint I have about the Canadian system is that Dental Care isn't even covered. Hearing that surprised me at least in Ontario.

Many say that their employment covers the cost for dental care but I can't help but feel how people who don't have jobs would be able to gain access to Dental Care. It seems most just get painkillers from what I understand. I heard about that on a CBC broadcast highlighting the issues that people face when they have serious dental conditions. That and the incredibly high taxes Canadians pay.

But it's better than here from a healthcare standpoint.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is one aspect, simply wait it out and let it collapse all by itself. The downside to that is that people like you will be homeless and living in your cars before the final death knell hits. So, clearly, something has to be done.

I'm confident it'll bottom out at some point.
People usually don't react until something happens, where they wake up and see the reality of it.

Getting seriously ill or injured is a sorry way to find out though.

 

[YmirGF]

I'm confident it'll bottom out at some point.
People usually don't react until something happens, where they wake up and see the reality of it.

Getting seriously ill or injured is a sorry way to find out though.

I look at it as being similar to the fire department. How many people would be into having a for-profit fire department or police department?

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[Twilight Hue]

I look at it as being similar to the fire department. How many people would be into having a for-profit fire department or police department?

I think that's what happened here right now. People are made to feel so desperate they'll just take any type of program that is put on the table that sounds good without really looking into it.

Pelosi was certainly the poster woman for that. "Got to pass it, to see what's in it".

I'll give her credit, I see what's in it now.

 

[pearl]

From the Canadian view, the problem is running medical facilities as for-profit businesses. Get rid of that aspect and things will change over night. As I see it, for-profit medicine is a distinct conflict of interest.

Because the government is beholding to the people unlike the US where both the government and the insurance companies are beholding only to their share holders.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because the government is beholding to the people unlike the US where both the government and the insurance companies are beholding only to their share holders.

For me, I think insurance companies were a chess pawn. I think what's beholden to is the juggernaut out of control healthcare industry itself , and big pharmacy.

 

[pearl]

For me, I think insurance companies were a chess pawn. I think what's beholden to is the juggernaut out of control healthcare industry itself , and big pharmacy.

The pharmacies are certainly out of control. Even before the ACA premiums were on the rise in part due to the uninsured receiving catastrophic care in the e r. "An ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure', or something like that. With the ACA these people could seek early treatment.
I happen to believe that health care is a right not a privilege.