Karl Marx's Grave Monument Vandalized.

[Jumi]

Blame must be shared.

So Jesus, Washington share blame for what was done later, in your view?

However, Marx was the primary forger of what became Communism in the 20th Century.

Heavily altered by Lenin and Stalin. So much so that they and "eurosocialists" didn't see eye to eye. The moderate socialists had to flee the Soviet Union.

He held to particular hatreds. He believed in violence. He advocated revolution.

I know he was a product of the times in regard to racism and such. What quotes do you have that he believed in violence?

He taught people that humans are blank slates and can be fashioned into whatever you want them to be.

While at the time the factories were using child labor on the same basis. Well, at least that died quickly with the threat posed by "revolution".

You dismiss him as innocent in all this because he held no gun. But he held the pen, and from his pen
came the gun, and a ruling class of pigs that Orwell wrote about.

I don't say he's innocent. I'm not a fan of his. I'm saying you're laying more blame than is reasonable on him.

In fact it took every "problem"
of Capitalism and made it worse.

As an example, how did Marx make child labor worse?

Keeping in mind that capitalism at the time was unchecked:

Children as young as six years old during the industrial revolution worked hard hours for little or no pay. Children sometimes worked up to 19 hours a day, with a one-hour total break. This was a little bit on the extreme, but it was not common for children who worked in factories to work 12-14 hours with the same minimal breaks. Not only were these children subject to long hours, but also, they were in horrible conditions. Large, heavy, and dangerous equipment was very common for children to be using or working near. Many accidents occurred injuring or killing children on the job. Not until the Factory Act of 1833 did things improve. Children were paid only a fraction of what an adult would get, and sometimes factory owners would get away with paying them nothing. Orphans were the ones subject to this slave-like labor. The factory owners justified their absence of payroll by saying that they gave the orphans food, shelter, and clothing, all of which were far below par. The children who did get paid were paid very little.

Quoted from a US K12 site and pretty much what everyone knows of the time.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because I'm a Trotskyist?

Because yer a wild eyed young whippersnapper feel'n yer oats.

 

[Revoltingest]

They would never do that to Lenin's Mausoleum.

Tempt'n fate, are ye?

 

[Jumi]

They would never do that to Lenin's Mausoleum.

The Russians after collapse of the Soviet Union wanted to dump Lenin's body, there were even talks about giving the corpse for some other country to take care of.

 

[Revoltingest]

Very sad indeed. There are some despicable people about.

And one just got his grave vandalized.

But yes, I agree....vandalism is a despicable crime.

 

[Altfish]

And one just got his grave vandalized.

But yes, I agree....vandalism is a despicable crime.

Why the hatred for Marx?
He did a lot of his writing in my home city and along with Engels is highly thought of.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why the hatred for Marx?
He did a lot of his writing in my home city and along with Engels is highly thought of.

Just joking!

 

[Stevicus]

The Russians after collapse of the Soviet Union wanted to dump Lenin's body, there were even talks about giving the corpse for some other country to take care of.

Well, they could just bury him in the Kremlin Necropolis, alongside the others buried there. I sometimes wonder why they haven't done so. Back when the USSR broke up, I was saying that I wouldn't really believe it to be true until they actually buried Lenin's body.

It's also interesting that even though the city of Leningrad changed its name to St. Petersburg, the region is still known as Leningradskaya Oblast'.

 

[Stevicus]

Tempt'n fate, are ye?

Well, it's more closely watched. I've never heard about Stalin's grave ever being desecrated either.

Some people think it's bad luck to mess around with people's graves.

 

[Woberts]

Seriously?
The little prick who decided that this was a good idea should be flayed and hung from a flagpole, à la
Ramsay Snow.
(I had a rant here, but I've decided that it's better to leave it out. Don't wanna scare the young'uns, do we?)

 

[Jumi]

Well, it's more closely watched. I've never heard about Stalin's grave ever being desecrated either.

You mess up in Russia, there's going to be consequences that are unlike Western jails. Even if they don't venerate Stalin or Lenin, it's still an attack on authority if someone starts vandalizing state property.

It's also interesting that even though the city of Leningrad changed its name to St. Petersburg, the region is still known as Leningradskaya Oblast'.

There's also still places that have Finnish names, but in cyrillic on the Oblast that no one has bothered to rename.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Because yer a wild eyed young whippersnapper feel'n yer oats.

Yeah, I apologize. Not on the oats thing, on the Trotskyist thing. It's kinda hard to be funny using communism as your material. I tried, I failed...!

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I apologize. Not on the oats thing, on the Trotskyist thing. It's kinda hard to be funny using communism as your material. I tried, I failed...!

Communism is ripe for humor, but it's much easier if you're Russian.

 

[Shadow Link]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack
The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.

The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

Images of the defaced memorial, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each year, show what appears to be damage done by a hammer to the lettering of Marx’s name and the marble on which it is mounted.

Ian Dungavell, the chief executive of the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust, condemned the attack as “an appalling thing to do” and a “particularly inarticulate form of political comment”, warning that the tomb would be permanently scarred.

If the theory that "one must be loved first before being hated" is true from this current scenario, we could gather that this late passionate lover of Marx had recently discovered that socialism only works for those at the top.

 

[Revoltingest]

If the theory that "one must be loved first before being hated" is true from this current scenario, we could gather that this late passionate lover of Marx had recently discovered that socialism only works for those at the top.

The elite in Venezuela were recently in the news for
doing quite well, despite the sad plight of the masses.

 

[Shadow Link]

The elite in Venezuela were recently in the news for
doing quite well, despite the sad plight of the masses.

Makes me wonder how Bernie's oil investments are holding up there. I'm guessing they're still doing well.

 

[Shaul]

Now if the vandal had attacked it with both a hammer and a sickle that would have been ironic.

 

[Curious George]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack
The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.

The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

Images of the defaced memorial, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each year, show what appears to be damage done by a hammer to the lettering of Marx’s name and the marble on which it is mounted.

Ian Dungavell, the chief executive of the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust, condemned the attack as “an appalling thing to do” and a “particularly inarticulate form of political comment”, warning that the tomb would be permanently scarred.

Did they leave enough for everyone else to vandalize or were they greedy capitalists?