Karl Marx's Grave Monument Vandalized.

[Revoltingest]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack
The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.

The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

Images of the defaced memorial, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each year, show what appears to be damage done by a hammer to the lettering of Marx’s name and the marble on which it is mounted.

Ian Dungavell, the chief executive of the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust, condemned the attack as “an appalling thing to do” and a “particularly inarticulate form of political comment”, warning that the tomb would be permanently scarred.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Not a fan of tomb desecration, generally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not a fan of tomb desecration, generally.

Dang...you were high on my list of suspects.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Dang...you were high on my list of suspects.

Because I'm a Trotskyist?

 

[Stevicus]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack
The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.

The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

Images of the defaced memorial, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each year, show what appears to be damage done by a hammer to the lettering of Marx’s name and the marble on which it is mounted.

Ian Dungavell, the chief executive of the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust, condemned the attack as “an appalling thing to do” and a “particularly inarticulate form of political comment”, warning that the tomb would be permanently scarred.

They would never do that to Lenin's Mausoleum.

 

[PruePhillip]

Where are the graves of people that served in Hitler's regime?
Where is Eichman's grave? He was cremated and his ashes
scattered over the Mediterranean. Himmler was buried in an
unmarked grave, then dug up and cremated. The same goes
for much of Fascist landmarks.
But it was both Communism and Fascism which started the
war in 1939. And it was the Soviets who taught the Germans
about mass extermination, surveillance, racist hate (against
Poles, Finns etc.) and even how to gas people to death in
special gas trucks. But the Nazis couldn't match the sheer
scale of murder committed by the Communists, not in just
Russia but in China, Cambodia, Poland etc..

So why aren't we digging up Marx and cremating him?
Why is there no reckoning by Western leftist "intellectuals"
as to the nature of Communism?

 

[Lyndon]

We can start by cremating Trump!!

 

[Jumi]

And it was the Soviets who taught the Germans
about mass extermination, surveillance, racist hate (against
Poles, Finns etc.)

Not exactly, Finns were quite hated by Europeans before Nazism or Soviet Union existed. Stalin's genocidal acts in the conquered areas and even of communists that were of wrong race didn't come from Marx. Hitler learned anti-semitism from the conservatives of his youth. Race theories were something so common in the English-speaking world and Europe that it is more of a departure from the norm if someone influential in the 19th century was not fooled into them.

So why aren't we digging up Marx and cremating him?
Why is there no reckoning by Western leftist "intellectuals"
as to the nature of Communism?

Marx was quite different than Lenin or Stalin, and so was the nature of their Communisms. We could lay blame on many things, but do we crucify all influences? Because almost everything in our history as humanity is then dirty.

 

[Father Heathen]

Where are the graves of people that served in Hitler's regime?
Where is Eichman's grave? He was cremated and his ashes
scattered over the Mediterranean. Himmler was buried in an
unmarked grave, then dug up and cremated. The same goes
for much of Fascist landmarks.
But it was both Communism and Fascism which started the
war in 1939. And it was the Soviets who taught the Germans
about mass extermination, surveillance, racist hate (against
Poles, Finns etc.) and even how to gas people to death in
special gas trucks. But the Nazis couldn't match the sheer
scale of murder committed by the Communists, not in just
Russia but in China, Cambodia, Poland etc..

So why aren't we digging up Marx and cremating him?
Why is there no reckoning by Western leftist "intellectuals"
as to the nature of Communism?

By that logic we should desecrate the graves and remains of America's founding fathers because of the atrocities committed against slaves and native americans.

 

[PruePhillip]

By that logic we should desecrate the graves and remains of America's founding fathers because of the atrocities committed against slaves and native americans.

Yes, and Mandela for his silence on the "necklacing" and
his support for the African Communist Party.
Ghandi and the mass deaths as a result of his policies
against modernity.
And Mother Teresa for her celebration of poverty, and
her attitudes towards aids.
And Luther for his antisemitism.
And Isaac Newton for starting the industrialization of
everything, including war.
It's all about proportions.

 

[Altfish]

Marx

Where are the graves of people that served in Hitler's regime?
Where is Eichman's grave? He was cremated and his ashes
scattered over the Mediterranean. Himmler was buried in an
unmarked grave, then dug up and cremated. The same goes
for much of Fascist landmarks.
But it was both Communism and Fascism which started the
war in 1939. And it was the Soviets who taught the Germans
about mass extermination, surveillance, racist hate (against
Poles, Finns etc.) and even how to gas people to death in
special gas trucks. But the Nazis couldn't match the sheer
scale of murder committed by the Communists, not in just
Russia but in China, Cambodia, Poland etc..

So why aren't we digging up Marx and cremating him?
Why is there no reckoning by Western leftist "intellectuals"
as to the nature of Communism?

Marx was not a Nazi, he wasn't a warmonger. He proposed an ideology based on the oppression of the workers. Communism didn't start WW2, Hitler was not a communist.

 

[Altfish]

Karl Marx's London grave vandalised in suspected hammer attack
The tomb of Karl Marx at London’s Highgate cemetery has been vandalised in a targeted attack that means the Grade I-listed monument will “never be the same again”.

The suspected vandal damaged a marble plaque which was taken from Marx’s original 1883 gravestone and incorporated into the 1954 monument.

Images of the defaced memorial, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each year, show what appears to be damage done by a hammer to the lettering of Marx’s name and the marble on which it is mounted.

Ian Dungavell, the chief executive of the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust, condemned the attack as “an appalling thing to do” and a “particularly inarticulate form of political comment”, warning that the tomb would be permanently scarred.

Very sad indeed. There are some despicable people about.

 

[PruePhillip]

Marx

Marx was not a Nazi, he wasn't a warmonger. He proposed an ideology based on the oppression of the workers. Communism didn't start WW2, Hitler was not a communist.

Marx was a Socialist. Hitler was a National Socialist.
National Socialists controlled everything. Socialists
owned everything. Both repressed all opposition.
Both were militant - National Socialists against
everyone one else, Socialists against their own.

But what to do with the people in a Communist
system who didn't want their rights curtailed and
didn't want to lose their property? Marx was coy
about it, he said they should be "made impossible"
and left it to his readers how to interpret that. And
maybe 250,000,000 people were "made impossible"
through revolutions, wars, gulags, re-education
centers and killing fields.

And yes, the Communists, alongside the Fascists,
began WWII. Many of the bombs which landed on
the English were made in Russia. Russia invaded
Poland, Finland, the Baltic states. If it were not the
American then the Soviets would have taken even
England.

 

[Lyndon]

what an ignorant telling of "history"

 

[Altfish]

Marx was a Socialist. Hitler was a National Socialist.
National Socialists controlled everything. Socialists
owned everything. Both repressed all opposition.
Both were militant - National Socialists against
everyone one else, Socialists against their own.

But what to do with the people in a Communist
system who didn't want their rights curtailed and
didn't want to lose their property? Marx was coy
about it, he said they should be "made impossible"
and left it to his readers how to interpret that. And
maybe 250,000,000 people were "made impossible"
through revolutions, wars, gulags, re-education
centers and killing fields.

And yes, the Communists, alongside the Fascists,
began WWII. Many of the bombs which landed on
the English were made in Russia. Russia invaded
Poland, Finland, the Baltic states. If it were not the
American then the Soviets would have taken even
England.

You are using an argument that equates the person who first imagined a system with people who followed them who tried to put it into operation.

By the same argument Rutherford was responsible for Hiroshima

By the way - look up what National Socialism is - it is NOT socialism. It was a term used to dupe the populous into believing it was for their benefit.
There is , in theory, nothing wrong with socialism. Just like there is nothing, in theory, wrong with capitalism.

 

[England my lionheart]

Bummer I loved the Marx brothers.

 

[Jumi]

Marx was a Socialist. Hitler was a National Socialist.
National Socialists controlled everything. Socialists
owned everything. Both repressed all opposition.
Both were militant - National Socialists against
everyone one else, Socialists against their own.

It's quite difficult to compare Marx and Hitler like that in any honest way. I mean Hitler was a dictator while Marx was an unemployed journalist (or if you like, employed by his friend Engels, the capitalist businessman who worked on socialism with him). The guy never had power to even order a city, much less a nation. If we are going to blame Marx for what Lenin and Stalin did, are we going to blame Washington for US civil war and slavery? Perhaps Jesus for holy wars in Europe?

 

[PruePhillip]

You are using an argument that equates the person who first imagined a system with people who followed them who tried to put it into operation.

By the same argument Rutherford was responsible for Hiroshima

By the way - look up what National Socialism is - it is NOT socialism. It was a term used to dupe the populous into believing it was for their benefit.
There is , in theory, nothing wrong with socialism. Just like there is nothing, in theory, wrong with capitalism.

Rutherford to Marxism is a bit disingenuous - Rutherford
was following pure science. Marx created a political
philosophy. This philosophy, though fine on observing
facets of Capitalism, had no solutions to any of its
perceived shortcomings. In fact it took every "problem"
of Capitalism and made it worse. Example, Marx observe
the ups and downs of the system - he created one which
was permanently down.

And as far as I am concern there's a lot wrong with
Socialism - beginning with theft of people's property
and ending with naivete of human nature.

 

[Altfish]

Rutherford to Marxism is a bit disingenuous - Rutherford
was following pure science. Marx created a political
philosophy. This philosophy, though fine on observing
facets of Capitalism, had no solutions to any of its
perceived shortcomings. In fact it took every "problem"
of Capitalism and made it worse. Example, Marx observe
the ups and downs of the system - he created one which
was permanently down.

And as far as I am concern there's a lot wrong with
Socialism - beginning with theft of people's property
and ending with naivete of human nature.

I think we have to agree to disagree. Marx is not to blame for failed communist systems.

As far as I'm concerned there is equally as much wrong with capitalism as there is with socialism.

 

[PruePhillip]

It's quite difficult to compare Marx and Hitler like that in any honest way. I mean Hitler was a dictator while Marx was an unemployed journalist (or if you like, employed by his friend Engels, the capitalist businessman who worked on socialism with him). The guy never had power to even order a city, much less a nation. If we are going to blame Marx for what Lenin and Stalin did, are we going to blame Washington for US civil war and slavery? Perhaps Jesus for holy wars in Europe?

Blame must be shared. However, Marx was the primary forger of what became Communism in the 20th Century. He held to particular hatreds. He believed in violence. He advocated revolution. He taught
people that humans are blank slates and can be fashioned into whatever you want them to be.
You dismiss him as innocent in all this because he held no gun. But he held the pen, and from his pen
came the gun, and a ruling class of pigs that Orwell wrote about.