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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by waR toRn Rebel, Jul 22, 2005.

  1. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    Not unless you take the view that they are inspired from the same source. Just some mix-ups in the transcription. I know some folk who believe this is the truth.
     
  2. niamhwitch

    niamhwitch Celtic Faery Wiccan )O(

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    ...uh...I think Painted Wolf was implying that, like your science books, the holy books were written by humans also....

    I dont thinks so. I dont follow any of those books, but I most certainly do consider all of them holy. And I agree with truthseekingsoul. :)
     
  3. waR toRn Rebel

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    the diffrence is that science books are written everyday. Unlike these "Holy" books that were written back when everyone thought that the world was flat.

    Well good for you. However I still see them as book, fiction books.

    They are not all inspired from the same source. Also if they are all from the same source then they are wrong in one way or another, because they are all very diffrent.
     
  4. niamhwitch

    niamhwitch Celtic Faery Wiccan )O(

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    Inspired doesnt mean that they all have to say the same thing. I can be inspired by something and come out with a different product than the thing I was inspired from. :)

    Did I say they werent fiction? A good story can be holy and fictional at the same time.

    That has nothing to do with my comment... I merely said that Painted Wolf was implying that the holy books were written by man just like the science books. I didnt say the how often people write holy books, or when they were written... just that they were written by humans. period. ;)
     
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    Give a question that will shake my faith and I will let you know what I do with it.
     
  6. Jaiket

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    I, for one, see no reason to believe this is the case either. I was simply offering the opinion of a couple of individuals I know, who maintain that all religious books are inspired by the same source and all religions lead to the same source.

    If it were the case it would make all of these books 'holy' would it not?
     
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    God is so powerful that God can make a contradiction.
     
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  8. Mister Emu

    Mister Emu Emu Extraordinaire
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    I am pretty sure ancient Greeks did not beleive in a flat world. From what I understand this was the accepted belief of the time.

    :D
     
  9. waR toRn Rebel

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    No he can't. See if he makes the stone he can't lift it. If he doesn't then he doesn't.
     
  10. waR toRn Rebel

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    If that were the case, but that is just another belief. Just like I believe that none of those books are "holy".
     
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    Fluffy A fool

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    No not if you believe that God can do the irrational and illogical. If he can create square circles and make 2 and 2 equal 11 then he most certainly can do a logical contradiction even if the contradiction is him being unable to do it.
     
  12. waR toRn Rebel

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    I was simply saying that since people write science books everyday and "Holy" books were written one time and that time was a long time ago. And because of this science books are more valid that these "holy" books.
     
  13. Jaiket

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    So why would it be pointless to refer to them all as holy books if you believe they are?
     
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    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    Sounds to me like you're commiting the fallacy of argumentum ad novitatem - the fallacy of asserting that something is better or more correct simply because it is new, or newer than something else.
     
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    Why would you say that when the bible itself refers to the world being flat? Also it wasn't the Greeks that finally found out that the world was flat.
     
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    This is not necessarily the case here since the fact that the books are "newer" isn't the reason for them being more correct. The additional knowledge that is able to be obtained to write about a given subject, on the other hand, does support such a proposition.
     
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    I said If that were the case, but that is just another belief. Just like I believe that none of those books are "holy".
     
  18. Mister Emu

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    Does it now?
     
  19. waR toRn Rebel

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    Daniel 4:10,11 says, "There was a tree in the midst (or center) of the earth, and its height was great.it reached to the sky, and was visible to the end of the whole earth." Such visibility (i.e., "a tree of great height at the center of the earth and seen to the end of the whole earth") implies a flat earth.

    Isaiah 42:5 & 44:24 states that at creation God "spread out the earth" -- the Hebrew verb for "spread" being used elsewhere in Scripture to depict a "flattening" or "pounding."

    Isaiah 11:12 declares, "Gather (them) from the four corners of the earth,"

    Revelation 7:1 adds, "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth."

    Matthew 4:8 states that "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory." One could see "all" the kingdoms of the world from a very high mountain if the world were flat.

    Throughout Scripture the shape and construction of the earth is assumed to resemble that of a building having a firm immovable foundation, and a roof (or canopy). "He established the earth upon its foundations, that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Psalm 104:5) "The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Psalm 93:1) "For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on them." (I Samuel 2:8) "It is I who have firmly set its pillars."
     
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    Wait, hold on... You just said He wasn't capable of contradiction. I say He IS. That is how powerful my God is. Debate whether or not my God is true, but don't tell me what I believe about my God. Just because YOU can't understand how it is possible means nothing.
     
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