1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Just for my own info but if God exists what can I do to get them to grant me a wish?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jos, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    He seems to do with certain people who always get what they pray for.
     
  2. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Yet for some people that sort of being does exist.
     
  3. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    So I mustn't believe people who've had direct experience of miracles in the modern world? Why? What if God changed His mind?
     
  4. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Not totally since God refuses to do the same today or at least does it with some people and not others.
     
  5. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Yet some people seem to get everything they ask for
     
  6. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    It's kinda personal.
     
  7. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2018
    Messages:
    4,791
    Ratings:
    +1,324
    Religion:
    Follower of Christ
    I am showing you, that is not so.
    Again give me an example.
    You already did, and I showed you, no.
    If you want to do it again, go ahead.
    Or should I remind you, where you did? Look here, and here.
     
  8. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    I'll get back to you.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. Stevicus

    Stevicus Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,640
    Ratings:
    +4,195
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Well, you could always wish upon a star.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2010
    Messages:
    1,571
    Ratings:
    +241

    That's a result of a narrow view of things. More knowledge lives beyond the surface than lives on top.
     
  11. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2009
    Messages:
    9,984
    Ratings:
    +5,257
    Religion:
    Christian JW
    We have to be careful...here's why...

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15...speaking of false Christians out to mislead others, Paul wrote....
    "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works."

    The devil mimics God by disguising himself as a good guy. He has "ministers" who serve his interests, performing so-called miracles in order to deceive people.

    2 Corinthians 12:12...a genuine apostle was given the power of God's spirit...
    "Indeed, the signs of an apostle were produced among you with great endurance, and by signs and wonders and powerful works." ......so how is the devil a mimic....?

    Paul warned...
    "But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved."

    The devil is out to mislead.....these are not true miracles, but more like magic tricks...sometimes half baked...sometimes dismal failures. Jesus and the apostles 100% cured everyone who came to them...no failures.

    You see, the real miracles were only for a time and a reason....they were a small scale demonstration of what was to come under the rulership of God's kingdom (Revelation 21:2-4)....healing the sick, raising the dead, and seeing the holy spirit in action. But these were to cease....

    1 Corinthians 13:8-13...
    "But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. . . . .When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child . . . .Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love."

    Mature Christians were no longer to rely on miracles, childishly looking for 'tricks' to confirm their faith....once the Christian congregation was firmly established, then the traits of a child were to be done away with...."Faith, Hope and Love" would now identify true Christians.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  12. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2009
    Messages:
    9,984
    Ratings:
    +5,257
    Religion:
    Christian JW
    And it seems to be a very American thing to do I have noticed....since America seems to be more inclined to follow 'pie in the sky' religion for some reason....:shrug: It seems to be the same kind of faith that small children have in Santa Claus.

    We don't do that in Australia. Social media is full of people (mostly Americans) praying about one thing or another, without much acknowledgment as to whether their prayer gets answered or not...it just seems like the thing to say when you have nothing else to say. Prayer chains always amaze me.....as though if enough people pester God he has to say OK....?

    Some prayers are definitely answered as I can attest. I have had many prayers answered in ways I didn't expect. It all depends on what you are praying for. As I said, this is not the time for miracles...its the time for endurance....it is the time for showing God who we are and where our faith is.

    Do you understand why humans get sick and die in the first place? If you do, then you will know why prayers for cures are not answered.....just yet. God will give us the strength to endure hardship for the present, if we ask him in sincerity. The big answers will come later when the Kingdom assumes its authority over all humankind. (Matthew 6:9-10)

    God didn't create a world where innocents suffer.....The world he created was perfect.....humans messed it all up thinking that they were the better judges of what they need. God stepped aside to show humans exactly what they signed up for when the devil offered himself as their god.
    We will see all things rectified when God has finished demonstrating what a lousy choice they made. Life lessons are not quickly forgotten.

    Read my last reply to Jos. (above)

    God's will is the only important thing.....it will be accomplished, with us or without us. By prayer we show reliance on God as our rightful Sovereign, and we demonstrate that we need him to guide and direct our lives. Obedience is all he has ever asked of us.

    Personal prayers said in accord with God's will are answered. But selfishly asking God to win the lottery or to help you to climb the corporate ladder, or if you play sport to help you win a competition.....will never be in accord with God's will.
    Praying that a dying person be cured or a suffering person to have their pain taken away is not selfish, but in this world, God does not intervene in those things. Why? Because satan claimed that humans would be better off making their own choices about everything....that they don't need God to make good decisions. But I think humans are demonstrating every day that they are nigh on to useless when it comes to making good decisions about a lot of things. Look at the state of the world and see what a hash we have made of self reliance....we suck at it! :rolleyes:

    No, not useless at all.....its a very important communication with the Almighty who lets his worshippers know that he is with them in all the ways that count.
     
  13. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Fine you win.
     
  14. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2018
    Messages:
    4,791
    Ratings:
    +1,324
    Religion:
    Follower of Christ
    No. I did not win. It's just proven that I am correct. :)
     
  15. firedragon

    firedragon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    Messages:
    3,049
    Ratings:
    +666
    What if God cannot grant you a wish?
     
  16. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +932
    I've read this hint a bunch of times. Still grappling.
    "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. "
     
  17. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Idk.
     
  18. Milton Platt

    Milton Platt Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2015
    Messages:
    6,494
    Ratings:
    +2,455
    Religion:
    Atheist
    If god is all knowing, you are wasting your time asking for something the god knew since the beginning of the universe you would want now. It follows that if the god wanted you to have it, you should already have it.
     
  19. Jos

    Jos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2019
    Messages:
    854
    Ratings:
    +117
    Religion:
    Agnostic Theist
    Good point.
     
  20. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +932
    Ya know... tee hee
    There's a difference between knowing everything and being whatever knowing is. On the one hand, possibly subtle on the other maybe not.
     
Loading...