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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Feb 28, 2021.

  1. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    I think you are trying to ask about whether this is the only life we have.

    If God exists, then this isn't the only life we have.
     
  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Simple, heaven is becoming too crowded, it is turning into a veritable slum. God does not have any further space to expand the living quarters. And all believers in Jesus are entitled to claim their place with no further conditions. The promise was unsustainable.
     
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  3. ADigitalArtist

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    There's not just one type of Satanist. Some are theistic, some aren't, some keep Satan as an ideologue, some a being regarded in worship. Some many beings regarded in worship.
     
  4. Subduction Zone

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    That is true. But most are by the non-theistic bent by a large margin.

    I am not going to describe Satanists by the few actual Satan worshippers just as I will not describe all Christians as belonging to the Westboro Baptist Church, heck I won't even slander Baptists that way.
     
  5. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Well-Known Member

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    It's not my job to prove Jesus didn't exist, it's your job to prove he did. You are the one making the claims I have to refute. The burden falls on your shoulders. I already told you: there's no proof Jesus lived. If there's no proof, doesn't mean he didn't live, just that we have no way of knowing so it's a faith issue. For me the fact there's no evidence is reason enough not to believe in him. For you it's enough to just have faith he did live even if you can't prove it.
     
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  6. Trailblazer

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    The historicity of Jesus relates to whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. Nearly all historians accept that Jesus existed, and standard historical criteria have aided in reconstructing his life.

    Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia


    So the salient question is not whether Jesus existed or not, it is whether Jesus was the Son of God, a Messenger of God, the Messiah, etc.
     
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  7. ADigitalArtist

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    LaVeyans would like you to believe they're the largest and theistic Satanists are a tiny minority but they don't *actually* have any data to back that up. And here on RF the theistic Satanists heavily outnumbered the nontheistics during the LH heyday.
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    Perhaps, but I do not see any theistic Satanists today. I don't know how to measure the numbers myself for sure, but the non-theistic Satanist claim does seem much more reasonable to me. Granted, not much to base an argument upon.
     
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    Reasonable claims or not, my only point is that it's a myth that all or even most Satanists are nontheist. Part of the propaganda of the Satanic Temple really, which has gone out of its way to try and redefine what 'Satanism really is' despite being comparatively young. Rather like a more aggressive Wicca.
     
  10. SeekingAllTruth

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    Ummm....somewhat. There is also the possibility someone fitting a later description of Jesus lived and that the character in the gospels was modeled after this person and then fitted with all the god-qualities. Reza Aslan has put forth a good case in Zealot that Jesus was a seditionist who was crucified by Rome. The legends grew from there.
     
  11. Trailblazer

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    I never said that I believe that the character in the gospels represents the real Jesus, but I believe everything that Baha'u'llah wrote about Jesus is true because I believe Baha'u'llah knew more than any man, since like Jesus, He was more than a man; He was a Manifestation of God who received His knowledge from God. Had Jesus ever written anything in His Own Pen, and it could be verified to be from Him, I would believe that just as much as I believe what Baha'u'llah wrote.
     
  12. Deeje

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    The concept of hell is not from the Bible. Many people refer to Jesus talking about "gehenna" but this is not hell. Hades is not "hell" either. Bible translators have confused the meaning of these words by incorporating pagan ideas of punishment for the wicked.

    The Hebrew word "sheol" simply meant the grave. Its Greek equivalent is "hades"which must also mean just the grave where the dead "Rest in Peace".

    When Jesus spoke of "gehenna" he said...."And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."

    You can see from this that "gehenna" is a place where body and soul are "destroyed", not tormented. There is no suffering in "gehenna".

    Gehenna was originally the Valley of Hinnom outside the walls of Jerusalem where the apostate Israelites were worshipping the Ammonite god Molech by sacrificing their children in the fire. God stopped the practice and turned the valley into Jerusalem's garbage dump. Fires were kept burning day and night by the addition of brimstone (sulfur) to consume the refuse. The carcasses of dead animals and the bodies of executed criminals were often thrown into the fire for disposal. What the flames missed the maggots finished off.

    Anyone thrown into gehenna was considered not worthy of a decent burial and therefore not worthy of a resurrection. It was a symbol of everlasting death, which is the opposite of everlasting life.
     
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  13. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Following that reckoning and the fact that all men are sinners, the church will get smaller and smaller till it disappears up its own orifice.

    Sin free men do not need the church, it was established for the saving of the sinners.
    It has failed in that task. The church is a bursting and led by these unrepentant sinners.
    No wonder the honest caring members are leaving in droves. To create a more civilized liberal society.
     
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  14. Subduction Zone

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    How is it a myth if true? Now you appear to be making a claim that puts the burden of proof on you. How do you know that there are more theistic than non-theistic Satanists?
     
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    Comments like this get me to think you’ve never read it....
    Philippians 2:3-4; Colossians 3:12-15; Ephesians 4 2,3,29,31,32; Proverbs 13 3,10,20; Proverbs 18 13,17; Proverbs 23:20-21; 1 Timothy 6:9-10
    ....and on & on & on.

    Now, I don’t like the Old English versions, I wish RF would change the KJV to another...it’s hard to grasp what it’s saying at times...
    but the Bible is loaded with practical wisdom.
     
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    I have, it admits that growth in number of Muslims is due to birth rates, and it is old dated at 2017, by comparison the 2018 and 2020 studies undertaken in the Arab countries and Iran show marked decline in the numbers firmly bound to Islam.

    For more information follow the links in the following article;
    Middle East: Are people losing their religion? | DW | 04.02.2021
     
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    You mean,“....than they were.”

    (Since we’re talking about education.)
     
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    Yeah, it’s just despicable, God wanting us to ‘love our neighbors as ourselves,’ (Mark 12:31) and ‘becoming kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving.’ - Colossians 3:12-14
    Absolutely horrid.

    (You have posted in the past about the issues with your parents while growing up, I’m sorry that they didn’t follow these guidelines. It’s not God’s fault.)
     
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    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    God could have made Us all inherently ....
    Honest
    Truthful
    compassionate.
    peaceful
    loving
    helpful
    conscientious

    But he did not... There is little reason to believe that he even knows that we exist. We are such a miniscule and fleeting part of his creation.
     
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    Human things must be known in order to be loved but divine things must be loved in order to be known.
     
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