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Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?

It is against human rights. Such a person should be, if at all necessary, to be proved wrong with reasons and arguments or left to himself in peace. Right? Please
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Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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I believe the idea of it is like this. Back in the day, sometimes, the authorities didn't care for a prophet of God turning public opinion against them. So if they couldn't prove the prophet as a false prophet, that left one option.
 
MD

MD

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C

columbus

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paarsurrey said:
Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?
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May I assume you are talking about Jesus?
If so, that isn't why he was crucified. He was executed by the Roman authorities for treason against the state. Whether it was true or not*, Jesus was executed for insurrection and not any theological claims. The Romans did not care about Jewish religion.
Now, the Jewish authorities probably despised Him for being a social reformer. That threatened their position of wealth and power. They may well have trumped up some charges to get rid of Him. The case against Him appears to have been weak, Pilate wasn't convinced at first. But Pilate didn't much care about one Jew so just ordering the execution was the easiest thing to do. And it set an example for the other Jews as they gathered in droves to Jerusalem for Passover. "Don't Mess with Rome!", is the clear message sent by such a horrible execution.
But it wasn't about prophethood or anything like that.
Tom

* I believe that it was true. I believe that Jesus was a violent antiRoman revolutionary. If He were a modern day Iraqi fighting the USA occupation He would be considered a terrorist.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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columbus said:
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May I assume you are talking about Jesus?
If so, that isn't why he was crucified. He was executed by the Roman authorities for treason against the state. Whether it was true or not*, Jesus was executed for insurrection and not any theological claims. The Romans did not care about Jewish religion.
Now, the Jewish authorities probably despised Him for being a social reformer. That threatened their position of wealth and power. They may well have trumped up some charges to get rid of Him. The case against Him appears to have been weak, Pilate wasn't convinced at first. But Pilate didn't much care about one Jew so just ordering the execution was the easiest thing to do. And it set an example for the other Jews as they gathered in droves to Jerusalem for Passover. "Don't Mess with Rome!", is the clear message sent by such a horrible execution.
But it wasn't about prophethood or anything like that.
Tom

* I believe that it was true. I believe that Jesus was a violent antiRoman revolutionary. If He were a modern day Iraqi fighting the USA occupation He would be considered a terrorist.
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"May I assume you are talking about Jesus?"

I was talking in general terms. One may like to read post #5 in another forum to apprise one of the scenario in Judaism. Please

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the3rdwheel

the3rdwheel

Beth
paarsurrey said:
Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?

It is against human rights. Such a person should be, if at all necessary, to be proved wrong with reasons and arguments or left to himself in peace. Right? Please
Regards
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Or send them to a doctor, right?
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

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Is there any reason to believe that the Jewish people ever killed any Miessiah claimaint?

They sure suffered through quite a few without entertaining the notion.

Christian tradition claims that they denounced Jesus to the Romans, but I don't see why anyone would believe that.
 
Kirran

Kirran

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There are certainly some Jewish groups who believe that the Sanhedrin (I think) had Jesus killed.

It was a different time. We're of a raised consciousness as a society now.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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paarsurrey said:
Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?

It is against human rights. Such a person should be, if at all necessary, to be proved wrong with reasons and arguments or left to himself in peace. Right? Please
Regards
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Are you basing your post on these Qur'anic verses, by any chance (highlighting mine)?

Qur'an 2:87 said:
And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed.
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Qur'an 2:88 said:
And they said, "Our hearts are wrapped." But, [in fact], Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is it that they believe.
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Qur'an 2:89 said:
And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them - although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved - but [then] when there came to them that which they recognized, they disbelieved in it; so the curse of Allah will be upon the disbelievers.
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Qur'an 2:90 said:
How wretched is that for which they sold themselves - that they would disbelieve in what Allah has revealed through [their] outrage that Allah would send down His favor upon whom He wills from among His servants. So they returned having [earned] wrath upon wrath. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.
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Qur'an 2:91 said:
And when it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah has revealed," they say, "We believe [only] in what was revealed to us." And they disbelieve in what came after it, while it is the truth confirming that which is with them. Say, "Then why did you kill the prophets of Allah before, if you are [indeed] believers?"
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Qur'an 5:70 said:
We had already taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and had sent to them messengers. Whenever there came to them a messenger with what their souls did not desire, a party [of messengers] they denied, and another party they killed.
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(Source of translations.)

If so, then I suggest not making assumptions about people of other beliefs based on your own scriptures just because your scriptures say they did this or that, unless you can show historical evidence that your scriptures are 100% accurate. Otherwise posts like yours amount to libeling a large group of people based on nothing more than subjective beliefs.

By the way, while we're on the subject of "killing prophets," how about you go to a Muslim-majority country and claim you are a prophet this year? If you survive long enough to manage to create a religion like Christianity, I'll gladly meet you at a Starbucks of your choosing and buy you a giant cappuccino.

Deal? :D
 
wizanda

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
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paarsurrey said:
Judaism: why kill somebody just for his claim that he is a prophet of God?
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Islam and Christians would as well, if you're told you're wrong.....

You're all as bad as each other, the responses I've had from some of you for saying i fulfill prophecy is beyond; which is why i limit my interaction to a few places, as you're all scary. :oops:
 
Kirran

Kirran

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wizanda said:
You're all as bad as each other, the responses I've had from some of you for saying i fulfill prophecy is beyond; which is why i limit my interaction to a few places, as you're all scary. :oops:
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Of course some people just don't believe you and carry on with their day normally. That'd constitute the vast majority, but they're not so visible as the vociferous people.
 
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