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Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, May 19, 2015.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    The text does indicate that:
    • neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
    • nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
    • the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
    • there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross.
    • The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
    • It was indirectly conveyed to the masses.
    That proves my point.

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  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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  3. rosends

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    The text indicates that they did not go up and God did not go down, and yet he spoke to them from where he was to where they were and they reacted to it. The text explicitly says that he spoke directly to them. This, clearly, disproves your point.

    Instead of simple reasserting your same interpretation, you might want to confront what the cited text actually says. You convince no one when you ignore the words of the text.
     
  4. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    He's trolling for attention. Enough ...
     
  5. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    I am just expressing my thoughts on the subject, they are not intended for any person specifically.
    One doesn't have to be convinced with them.
    It is in search for truth, where-ever and where-from it may come.

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  6. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    I don't get you exactly.
    Please elaborate if you may like to do so.
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  7. Disciple of Jesus

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    I'm not familiar with your religious beliefs. Which parts of the Bible, say, the Bible I use, the KJV, do you adhere to? Which books?
    regards, disciple
     
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  8. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
    I have read Catholic and Protestant Bibles (OT+NT); since this discussion concerns with Jews so I quoted from the Jewish Bible:
    The Complete Tanach with Rashi's Commentary - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

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  9. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Your argument, please.
    Anybody
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  10. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Well, I learn from the Jews, so much.
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