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Judaism, Christians and Islam Rejects Homosexuality

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Servant_of_the_One1, Mar 29, 2015.

  1. Saint Frankenstein

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    :) I don't want to make you cry. Lol. But I'm happy it takes you back to a good place in your life. I don't know exactly what made you leave the Church, but apparently it is still quite powerful to you. *hugs*
     
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  2. Servant_of_the_One1

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    I agree mostly with @Deidre and @Carlita .
    No matter how painful it is for homosexual christians they must accept that Bible rejects their lifestyle. U have to be brave and say: Bible rejects me! And if u are true christian u should reject ur sinful lifestyle and force urself to marry woman... That is if bible means something to u and if u believe it is 100% the words of God.
     
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    Can you force yourself to marry a man?
     
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    What would that accomplish? Even if they did, that would only mean Christianity and Judaism are both as wrong as Islam on this particular issue. I don't see what your request is supposed to prove.
     
  5. Servant_of_the_One1

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    LOL!

    Then what were the people of Lot???
    Men having sex with men. Isnt that proof of homosexuality? Why did God condemn their corrupt lifestyle in Bible and Quran? Why did God say in Bible love is only between Man and Woman??
    Why did God say homosexuals are sinners??

    Or are the verses i posted false and instead of homosexuality it says something else???
     
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    @Servant_of_the_One1: It is my understanding that you live in a Western country. If you are against secular laws and equality for LGBT people so much, why don't you move to Iran or Saudi Arabia instead? Or are other life issues more important to you than laws concerning homosexuality—which shows just how pointless it is to try to show that it is a "sin"?
     
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  7. Servant_of_the_One1

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    Sir, it proofs that Homosexual Priests and Christians lie to themselves and mock at the bible.

    How can u be something that your own holy book rejects???

    For example in Islam we are not allowed to drink. If i would do that, i wouldnt say : wait, drinking is not really forbidden in islam. The word alcohol means something else, its changed through history. The translators made mistake. The companions at that time misunderstood prophet pbuh wrong!
    No i wouldnt make excuses, i would admit being sinner and try to better myself.


    Thank you for admitting that homosexuality today is allowed in the west because the west threw bible away.
    They see it as unimportant book, fairytales from the Old Age.
     
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    Did you even bother to read your own damn thread?
     
  9. Servant_of_the_One1

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    @Saint Frankenstein ofcourse, it is proven that Bible rejects Homosexuality. No but can change that.


    Unless u give me bible verse where it says clearly homosexuality is allowed.
     
  10. Saint Frankenstein

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    No, it isn't and you've been shown otherwise enough. We know you hate gay people, but that has nothing to do with others and our own faiths.

    Why do you care what the Bible says? You Muslims think the Bible was distorted and that the Qur'an replaces it.
     
  11. Servant_of_the_One1

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    @Saint Frankenstein u really hate it, dont u?
    Never once did someone point out to you that Bible rejects homosexuality :D
    Why can you not live and accept that painful sad truth?

    I know there are Camps in the USA where homosexuals are helped to become heterosexuals.
    Why do u think homosexual christians go there? Because they realized their holy book is against their choice and views that as sin.
     
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    You're going on ignore.
     
  13. Servant_of_the_One1

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    @Saint Frankenstein u are welcome to return to the thread when u have hardcore evidence.

    Let me know that.
    Now i will watch the thread and see if someone comes with major evidence to back up homosexuality.
     
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    I see it as much more important to be good to people than to obsess over some old book written by ignorant savages. This goes for all religions where dogma is more important than people.
     
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    Servant, if you actually take the time to read through this thread, you'll see that @Ingledsva and @Vishvavajra have answered your initial questions, and absolutely shown how it's invalid to say that the Bible condemns homosexuality, and that it therefore goes against Christianity. Much as it is more accurate and reliable to read the Qur'an in Classical Arabic, it is better to read the Bible in Ancient Greek. Whether or not your personal views go against homosexuality, absurd as I find that, it has been demonstrated to you by people who know the Bible better than you that it is not rejected by the Bible.
     
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    Now that is truly an ethical thing to do. Would you like to marry someone who forced themselves to do it even if they were not actually attracted to you and really interested in marrying you?

    Maya
     
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    Do you get it? For example, I am a homosexual. According to the Bible, which doesnt mention this, I am not denied my sexual orientation. I am not denied my right to love. Acording to the Bible I am denied the "act" of expressing my love to my girlfriend. I am also denied the "act" of marrage. I believe the Catholic Church is a reflection of what scripture teaches. They do not deny someones sexual orientation. Actually that thought was changed in the Catism almost recently. They disagree with two things 1. The act 2 the marriage. They say that homosexuals are called to celibacy "and" they dont say they are not homosexual unless we act in those two ways that sre against scripture.

    point.

    1.orientation is not mentioned in scripture

    2. Bethroved love between two women and two men are not against scripture

    3 "love" between homosexuals are not in scripture.

    What "is" in scripture

    1.lust between any person of any sex of any orientation is immoral

    2 adultry, killing, and homosexual "acts" are among these sexual immoral acts.

    There is a difference. The bible and Church states this explicidly.

     
  18. Jumi

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    When telling people to force themselves to do something to please a stranger, please tell what kind of things you have forced yourself to do that you think wrong.
     
  19. sojourner

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    There's a marked difference between what we understand as consensual love between two adults, and what the writers understood as blatant gang-rape. The mob were not identified as "homosexuals" -- no such understanding existed for the ancients. The mob were identified as inhospitable interlopers -- which is consistent with the behavior of the residents of Sodom in the rest of the story. God didn't say "homosexuals are sinners." First of all, God says nothing in the bible; the authors have God speak as a character in the stories. Second, no reference is made to identifying the sexual orientation of the men -- only to their criminal act of gang rape.
    It's a gross mistranslation of what is actually meant by the authors.
     
  20. Ataraxia

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    I have heard arguments for the New Testament not being quite so clear about homosexuality as people believe it is. Romans 1 has to be condemning something tied with idolatry because of the context set by earlier verses. It says because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie AND served the creature rather than the creator..... for this cause they were handed over to a corrupt mind.

    There's really only two contextually correct ways one can take this: that Paul was speaking of something like pagan temple prostitution, or he mistakenly thought idolatry was the cause of homosexuality. In light of there being gay Jews, Christians, and even Muslims> was he right?
     
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