Josephus on Jesus

[outhouse]

As a matter of curiosity, by what standard do you judge Paul to be a "scumbag"?

I've called him a "weirdo" and never heard the end of it.

Its just I dont believe or trust him as far as a can throw him.

might have been a little strong but its my take on him.


I think calling him a a weirdo based on his actions is appropriate

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The old "Paul and Josephus are scumbags!" argument: scholarship at it's findest. :bow:

 

[outhouse]

The old "Paul and Josephus are scumbags!" argument: scholarship at it's findest. :bow:

my personal take on them has nothing to do with their hsitoricity and jesus

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The old "Paul and Josephus are scumbags!" argument: scholarship at it's findest. :bow:

I've actually never heard Paul called a scumbag.

I was initially surprised at how many first year seminarians hate Paul.

I'd assumed that people who were being trained as Christian ministers would have more love for him, but that is not the case at all.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

my personal take on them has nothing to do with their hsitoricity and jesus

Your personal take on them has nothing to do with scholarship and other endeavors wholly foreign to you. It is simply unconstrained pretense.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

my personal take on them has nothing to do with their hsitoricity and jesus

But in the case of Paul, however, his historicity depends on the contents of his authentic letters. The only other evidence for Paul is much less dependable: Acts and "Peter."

And his letters are a critical source for the history of early church.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But in the case of Paul, however, his historicity depends on the contents of his authentic letters. The only other evidence for Paul is much less dependable: Acts and "Peter."

And his letters are a critical source for the history of early church.

Please don't confuse him more than he already is.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Please don't confuse him more than he already is.

haha - I can't help it, man.

Every time I open my mouth people are confused or falling asleep (just my wife). I'm wondering if it's me or them.

 

[Ilisrum]

I like Paul. He's like an ancient Benny Hinn. He's comedic without trying to be.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

haha - I can't help it, man.

Every time I open my mouth people are confused or falling asleep (just my wife). I'm wondering if it's me or them.

:sleep:

... did you say something?

 

[outhouse]

But in the case of Paul, however, his historicity depends on the contents of his authentic letters. The only other evidence for Paul is much less dependable: Acts and "Peter."

And his letters are a critical source for the history of early church.

So far Paul is my least studied subject, I think A guy could spend a life time and still be lost.

It is kind of cool trying to figure out why he would turn the way he did. Does give us insight to the first century.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So far Paul is my least studied subject, I think A guy could spend a life time and still be lost.

It is kind of cool trying to figure out why he would turn the way he did. Does give us insight to the first century.

Religion is a lucrative business...

 

[Copernicus]

I think that the 20th century can give us insight into the 1st century. See the John Frum cult of the so-called cargo cult religions. There is still a controversy over the historicity of John Frum. Was he real? Do we not have accounts of eyewitnesses? Well, nothing as solid as for the historicity of Jesus. I don't think anyone ever claimed to have met his brother.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think that the 20th century can give us insight into the 1st century. See the John Frum cult of the so-called cargo cult religions. There is still a controversy over the historicity of John Frum. Was he real? Do we not have accounts of eyewitnesses? Well, nothing as solid as for the historicity of Jesus. I don't think anyone ever claimed to have met his brother.

Do you know of anyone who claimed to have met the brother of Jesus?

(outside of Christian materials, of course)

 

[Copernicus]

Do you know of anyone who claimed to have met the brother of Jesus?

(outside of Christian materials, of course)

Nope. Have you? The only person I know of who claimed to have met brother James was Paul.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Nope. Have you? The only person I know of who claimed to have met brother James was Paul.

Yes, that's the only instance that I know of, even in Christian literature. There could be someone somewhere who makes a similar claim, but it would certainly have been written by someone who could not have possibly have met him.