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Jorge Mario Bergoglio says evolution and big Bang are real
- Thread starter Altfish
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The quote from Romans shows we need to trust God rather than the shifting theories of men. Jesus believed and taught that God created the first man and woman, quoting from Genesis: "In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female." (Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27)
That might be true if the Bible is a book authored by men. I believe that "all Scripture is inspired of God" and therefore contains the truth. (2 Timothy 3:16,17) A growing group of scientists are publicly questioning the evidence for the ToE. I believe many more harbor private doubts, but fear retribution if they speak out. Was it Churchill who said; "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
Isaiah 40:26 says; "Lift up your eyes to heaven and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who brings out their army by number; He calls them all by name. Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing." I don't think Jehovah names holes in the heavens, do you?
I was specifically referring to "the firmament" described in Genesis:
The Firmament of Genesis 1 is Solid but That’s Not the Point
BTW: looks like you were right in one respect: the stars weren't thought to be holes in the solid dome of the sky; they were objects hung from the dome.
Makes sense: holes in the dome would let the water leak out.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Well, I'm pleased for you and your beliefs.
Who are these scientists? Have you heard of 'Project Steve', here read about it ...
Project Steve - Wikipedia
It is not retribution that awaits someone who disproves the ToE; it is a Nobel Prize, fame and fortune. But there is more chance of me winning the lottery 2-weeks running.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Can a pope be impeached?
ahamtatsat
The Stranger
Are we all impressed yet? i mean - the man (MAN!) IS famous, and HAS a (get a hold of ourselves) TITLE! Claims to have spiritual infallibility - but we see no proofs, and the proofs of the day were circular logic. You know - i am infallible. Q: why should we think so now? A: Because i am in fallible, so stating that i am infallible could not be a mistake.
This is one tiny little mind's opinion - out of more than 7,000,000,000 minds. i would listen more closely to an Amazonian shaman, or Lakota Holy man, or a Hindu Saddhu than him for what it's worth.
The Bible was written as metaphor, simile, parable, and to be interpreted in the context of what Hindu say is "Desha, Kala, Patra." Time, place, circumstance.
This is one tiny little mind's opinion - out of more than 7,000,000,000 minds. i would listen more closely to an Amazonian shaman, or Lakota Holy man, or a Hindu Saddhu than him for what it's worth.
The Bible was written as metaphor, simile, parable, and to be interpreted in the context of what Hindu say is "Desha, Kala, Patra." Time, place, circumstance.
Papal infallibility doesn't mean that everything the Pope says is supposed to have no errors; it only applies under very specific circumstances and has never been used by the current Pope (or several before him):
Is there a list of infallible teachings?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The irony is that a pope can literally be executed by the church itself if he teaches "ex cathedra" that which turned out to be clearly wrong. However, that's an old provision under Canon Law that would not today ever be enforced-- I think.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
The irony is that a pope can literally be executed by the church itself if he teaches "ex cathedra" that which turned out to be clearly wrong. However, that's an old provision under Canon Law that would not today ever be enforced-- I think.
I hope you're right. I can imagine a lot of people aren't real happy with him right now.
Well, it is.
So, you believe Timothy?
Their number might have increased by 100% last year. Which is an impressive growth. From one, to two. Or similar figures. How many of them are called Steve?
All they have to do is present the evidence. If they did, there would be no retribution, whatever you mean by that. Nobody takes anybody seriously, just because they have doubts, if any.
In the case of evolution, there have been many spinning of the world in its long history. Still not seing anyone wearing any pants.
With the evidence on the table, disbelieving evolution is equivalent to believe that the earth is flat.
Ciao
- viole
Of course, some are unhappy.
But by and large Francis is very popular around the world.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ain't that the truth.
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
Augustine of Hippo wrote an essay on Biblical interpretation, which I can vaguely remember. He said that prophets were called to teach religion and morals; when they spoke about other things, they were not inspired because they didn't need to be.
On Genesis, he said that all that was needed was "God created heaven and Earth", and the rest was literary decoration. To believe that the process took 144 hours over 6 sessions was, he said, childish.
He concluded that there are certain things in the sciences that are known beyond reasonable doubt and to deny them because a Biblical author was ignorant of them was to make a fool of yourself and a mockery of religion.
So, the Pope is simply following the teachings of a saint from 16 centuries ago. What a pity the fundies don't read the Fathers!
On Genesis, he said that all that was needed was "God created heaven and Earth", and the rest was literary decoration. To believe that the process took 144 hours over 6 sessions was, he said, childish.
He concluded that there are certain things in the sciences that are known beyond reasonable doubt and to deny them because a Biblical author was ignorant of them was to make a fool of yourself and a mockery of religion.
So, the Pope is simply following the teachings of a saint from 16 centuries ago. What a pity the fundies don't read the Fathers!
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
On the other hand RC Sproul says 'the big bang is like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat... without a rabbit... and... without a hat.... and.... without a magician"
"Who doesn't believe in evolution" says Nancy Pearcy but meaning it depends what you mean. A creationary orchard of created animal types? Animals and man significantly changed by the fall? or the flood of Noah? I personally do not accept Darwinian, Huxleyan or Lamarkian evolution and don't see sufficient evidence
"Who doesn't believe in evolution" says Nancy Pearcy but meaning it depends what you mean. A creationary orchard of created animal types? Animals and man significantly changed by the fall? or the flood of Noah? I personally do not accept Darwinian, Huxleyan or Lamarkian evolution and don't see sufficient evidence
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There's actually more than enough objectively-derived evidence for the basic ToE, but try and find some objectively-derived evidence that our universe was created by one deity.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nor do they tend to read scientific texts on the matter, and the surveys confirm this.