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john dillinger

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by james bogosian, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. james bogosian

    james bogosian New Member

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    where is john dillinger right now? in heaven or hell assuming that he repented before getting killed in chicago back in ´34? if he believed in god and repented or if he asked for god to accept him in heaven, would he be allowed in heaven or not? how could god forgive him and eventually allow him into heaven assuming he was able to forgive him? lets look at a modern day bank robber like cybercriminals. lets say that the fbi, interpol, and europol were closing in on someone like john dillinger and armed agents of some police department like the national police of spain were knocking the door not knowing that the cybercriminal they were about to arrest was also armed too. the police pull out their guns and so does the cybercriminals with his fellow hackers do the same and theres a bloody shootout that leaves dozens dead. where will the crooks who fired first when they saw the armed police go to assuming that they believe in god and went to church for their last rites and even spoke to a catholic priest for advice? can i find such an answer in the bible to this puzzling question or not for this hypothetical scenario or not? rsvp
     
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  3. Terry Sampson

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    Dear James:
    • First, I want to say that I admire your creative imagination.
    • Next, I'd like to ask you a couple of respectful questions ...
      • Do you have a cousin named Frank Goad?
      • You're not a Catholic, are you?
      • You wouldn't happen to have some friends who have committed crimes or want to and who are trying to talk you into being their "bag man", do you?
      • Do you or your friends own one or more guns?
      • And finally: Do you take medications prescribed by a doctor or therapist? or consume drugs that are not prescribed by an American, authorized medical professional?
    • I don't think you realize it, but it is important to understand that you are asking similar questions about two substantially different sets people:
      • John Herbert Dillinger, an actual American who probably not a Catholic, who robbed banks, who was born June 22, 1903 and was shot to death by FBI agents on July 22, 1934, and
      • One or more hypothetical Roman Catholic cybercriminals, who carry guns, and commit or want to commit cyber-crimes on computers
    • Although a person can indeed be Catholic, commit crimes, says they believe in God, go to church, ask a priest for advice, and even request last rites; it's extremely unusual for a Catholic to go to a Clark Gable/Myrna Loy movie, then walk out of the theater, ask a priest for advice and request last rites between the theater door and the alley he gets killed in a few minutes later, especially when he ran from FBI agents from the theater to the alley and got shot in the back before dying.
    Anybody else want to add anything here?
     
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    BECAUSE IVE BEEN TOLD THAT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT THEY WILL TO PURGATORY AND EVENTUALLY GO TO HEAVEN BUT THIS IS ONLY WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS. THEY WILL GO TO PURGATORY AND EVENTUALLY BE FORGIVEN BY GOD BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO ENTER HEAVEN.......
    TOLD
     
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    Ahhh, ... okay, now things are starting to fall into place.
    Now, you haven't said or done anything wrong, but it seems clear to me that you want to know specifically, from the horse's mouth so-to-speak, whether or not Catholics believe in Purgatory and whether or not Purgatory is kind of like a "skip Hell" card. If that's true, then we ought to ask a Forum moderator to move this thread and your original message into the "Catholic DIR" where only Catholics can give you an answer. If you want the correct answer, you need to ask Catholics. Out here, in the "Theological Concepts" Forum, you're likely to get all sorts of crazy answers from non-Catholic heathen.

    Don't you guys, @exchemist @metis @Estro Felino agree? ;)
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    You need to review the parable about the landowner hiring workers for his harvest. Should answer your question.
     
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    Dear James:
    • First, I want to say that I admire your creative imagination.
    • Next, I'd like to ask you a couple of respectful questions ...
      • Do you have a cousin named Frank Goad?
      • You're not a Catholic, are you?
      • You wouldn't happen to have some friends who have committed crimes or want to and who are trying to talk you into being their "bag man", do you?
      • Do you or your friends own one or more guns?
      • And finally: Do you take medications prescribed by a doctor or therapist? or consume drugs that are not prescribed by an American, authorized medical professional?
    • I don't think you realize it, but it is important to understand that you are asking similar questions about two substantially different sets people:
      • John Herbert Dillinger, an actual American who probably not a Catholic, who robbed banks, who was born June 22, 1903 and was shot to death by FBI agents on July 22, 1934, and
      • One or more hypothetical Roman Catholic cybercriminals, who carry guns, and commit or want to commit cyber-crimes on computers
    • Although a person can indeed be Catholic, commit crimes, says they believe in God, go to church, ask a priest for advice, and even request last rites; it's extremely unusual for a Catholic to go to a Clark Gable/Myrna Loy movie, then walk out of the theater, ask a priest for advice and request last rites between the theater door and the alley he gets killed in a few minutes later, especially when he ran from FBI agents from the theater to the alley and got shot in the back before dying.
     
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    Karma will answer..it is the WORD of GOD.
    No-one will be able to escape it. Everything is and was meant to be.
     
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    As Catholics, we can go to hell too, and I've been told by so many over the years that I'm going to hell that I'm looking forward to the trip.

    Anyhow, the teaching is that we may have to go through a period of cleansing prior to going into heaven if all our sins haven't been forgiven by the time we die. The scriptures cited are especially Matthew 12[32] and Revelation 21[27]. It also relates to "sheol" as found in the OT.

    Also, in the early Church, it was customary to pray for the dead as part of the "communion of saints".that's mentioned in the Apostle's Creed. IOW, we can pray for them and they might be able to pray for us if they're in heaven.
     
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