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  1. Super Universe

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    You can't prove what you can't control? Sure you can. The sun exists, I can't control it. Government exists. The police exist, animals, the wind, plants. Other countries exist, I can't control any of those things but everyone accepts that they are real.

    Thou shalt not test the Lord thy God means you shall not say to yourself "Okay God, if you're real then you will let me win the lottery".

    The body returns to dust? The body is temporary. It is a vehicle that will wear out and fail. It's not you.

    Quantum consciousness arises from protein polymers called microtubules inside the brain's neurons? Phsychobabble. The brain is not a biological memory storage device, it's a biological receiver/transmitter. Your mind does not exist in the material universe, it connects to the material universe.
     
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    All temporal things, edited by the brain via the senses.


    agreed, the form is not me. the real me is the consciousness, intelligence. it is the ALL in all. the thunder perfect mind. it is the dao. it is the unfettered/unconditional mind. it is the diamond mind. it is the infinite i.

    consciousness is the material universe, panpsychism.
     
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    Temporal things? I'm not sure if you mean non-spiritual things or things relating to time. God is the universe so there is nothing that is truly non-spiritual.

    Temporal things are edited by the brain via the senses? Not edited, interpreted, and it's a good thing it works well for most of us. Have you ever someone who is paranoid schizophrenic? They see and hear things that the rest of us don't see or hear.

    Consciousness is the material universe? You're really looking for some kind of metaphysical yoga, "be like water", Buddhist/Dao, all is one, explanation for the universe. Those ideas have their place but there is a Creator and there is a real Jesus, and there are angels. It may not be the universe you or I would want but until we can each create our own universe we're stuck with it.
     
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    Loll..
     
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    Christ isn't everything, either. You already avoided this clarification in another thread, it's beginning to seem like a troll.
     
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    Certainly, in context, for born agains. John 14 is Jesus speaking at the Last Supper after Judas has left the room.
     
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    i did? hmmm, i don't recall. please link to said claim.

    i could be a troll, yes. sorry for the redundancy if it appears I'm addressing the subject again. But i also learn from restating things in a different way; which triggers someone to respond. if people don't take the questions as a threat

    christ is the manifested in heaven and earth, or first born. heaven and earth are offspring of God; which is a visible image of the invisible God

    Colossians 1:15-16
    For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


    the son is the manifested; which includes all.

    not all have the state of mind to recognize/see this. that which is born of spirit is of heavenly things and that which is born of earth is of earthly things.
     
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    Please note that those (like King David - Acts 2:34) who do Not ascend to heaven (John 3:13), are Not considered as priests, but as for David he will be a Prince on Earth as mentioned at Isaiah 32:1 which is in harmony with Psalms 45:16 and Ezekiel 34:24. The humble meek who will inherit the Earth then are earthly subjects or earthly citizens here on Earth when Jesus reign over Earth as per Psalms 72:8. So, to me only those who have part of that first or earlier resurrection to heaven as per Revelation 20:6 will serve mankind living on Earth as kings and priests at Rev. 5:9-10.
    As kings they will take care of governmental responsibilities of people living on Earth.
    As priests they will take care of spiritual duties for the people living on Earth.
     
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    with all due respect, all return to heaven eventually because all mankind are the son of man(adam)
     
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    the logos, or agathodaemon, isn't unique to a person.

    Job 25:6
    How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

    Psalm 22:6
    But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

    Isaiah 41:14
    Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and you men of Israel; I will help you, saith the Lord, and the redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
     
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    Thank you for your reply, and I do wonder since Adam never was in heaven, how could Adam return to heaven.
    Life-less Adam was formed from the dust of the ground, and Adam did Not come to life until after God breathed the breath of life into life-less Adam according to Genesis 2:7. I do find at Genesis 3:19 that Adam did ' return '.
    Adam ' returned ' to where he started which was the dust of the ground.
    A person can Not return to a place he never was before, so Adam simply returned or went back to dust.
    Also, I find there was No post-mortem penalty for Adam but simply his going back to where he started from: dust. Adam was never offered heaven but offered 'everlasting life on Earth' with the condition Not to break God's Law.
    That same offer of 'everlasting life on Earth' is what is passed on to us through Jesus and that is why Jesus promised that the humble meek people will inherit Earth. Not inherit heaven, but inherit a beautiful paradisical Earth as originally purposed in Eden before Adam's downfall.
    Instead of ALL I find that according to Matthew 20:28 that Jesus' ransom 'paid for man' covers MANY and Not ALL.
    That is why Psalms 92:7 can say that the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' (Not heaven forever).
    Thus, the wicked will have the same ' returning ' as father Adam did: returning to the dust of ground.
     
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    Of course I find the Bible talks about earth's mid-heavens which is within earth's atmosphere as per Revelation 8:13; Daniel 4:11.
    As the atmospheric heaven surrounds the Earth all over, then 'under the heavens' does embrace the whole globe.
    Comparing Jeremiah 49:36; Daniel 8:8; Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27.
    God's heavenly home is the ' heavens of heavens ' as per Daniel 10:14; Nehemiah 9:6; 1 Kings 8:27, 30,39.
    So, from that ultimate spirit heavens God has the ultimate position as per Psalms 14:2; Psalms 102:19; Psalms 113:6.
    That spirit heavens is also the dwelling place of angelic creation.
    The heavens of Noah's day ( meaning governing rule ) passed away 2 Peter 3:5.
    It was Not the literal earth's atmosphere, nor was it God's and angelic dwelling place.
    The coming NEW heavens of 2 Peter 3:13 is the new governing rule by Christ Jesus which is coming to Earth.
     
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    I find because of father Adam is why our bodies now wear out and fail.
    If Adam had Not broken God's Law then Adam's body ( and ours) would still be healthy and alive today.
    Adam was only offered ' everlasting life on Earth ' if he kept the Law.
    ALL of the resurrections that Jesus performed where bringing back people to healthy physical resurrections.
    Jesus was showing us a sample, a coming attraction, a preview of what he will be doing for most of the dead during his coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth. Then mankind will have permanent healthy physical bodies.
    That is why Jesus promised that the humble meek people will inherit the Earth as per Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11.
    Like now, people in 'physical bodies' can be 'spiritual people' by cultivating the fruit of God's spirit as listed at Galatians 5:22-23. Then, the 'real you' (sinless you) can gain 'everlasting life on Earth' as originally offered to father Adam, and we can be physically and spiritually ' healed ' as per Revelation 22:2 when earth's nations will be healed.
    Even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth according to 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
     
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    The bible talks about earth's mid-heaven's which is within earth's atmosphere per Revelations? That's because selfish, ignorant, and very primitive humans had no idea about space and galaxies being light years away. The Book of Revelations shows how primitive and tribal the human understanding of the universe was.

    Jesus is coming to the earth? He is, in about 10,000 years when humans have evolved a great deal.
     
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    You find that because of father Adam? Uhhh, father Adam? You really should stop worshipping the bible and it's stories.

    Jesus already raised the sleeping survivors.

    There is no 1,000 year Jesus rule over the earth. Jesus rule in this universe is forever.

    Mankind will have permanent healthy physical bodies? Nope, not gonna happen. The earth is not heaven and never will be.

    Jesus promised that the humble and meek people will inherit the earth? What that quote is supposed to mean is that eventually all of the animal/tribal/primitive genetics will be worked out of humanity and we will not be ego driven control freaks and commit horrible crimes anymore.

    There is no everlasting life on the earth. The earth will be consumed by the sun in a few billion years.

    You can't figure it all out by just reading the bible because the writers of the books were too primitive to understand what they were being told.
     
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    Yes it is, it means 'Jesus'. Logos is the spirit form Jesus.
     
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    no, the logos is found in everthing; which is simply the greek form of the hebrew ruwach, or mind. the verse tells you that.


    john 1:3 implies the same thing as john 14:20, i am in the creator and the creator is in me.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



    the student cannot be above the teacher, its enough for the student to become like the teacher.

    one and the same except in form
     
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    the personality is affiliated with the body, or the ego if you will. the spirit is not the vehicle anymore than the driver of a jaguar. its only a vehicle for the driver. like plato's chariot,


    god is no more the chariot in ezekiel's vision, because the flesh counts for not, the spirit is everything.
     
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    I don't see how you can make those conclusions about Revelation when you have never studied it.
    Revelation teaches that it is the words from Jesus' mouth ( Jesus does Not have to visibly present ) that will execute the wicked. There is Not reason to conclude that wickedness on Earth will continue for 10,000 more years.
    Mankind's history does Not show evolving, but more like devolving, as described about these last days of badness on Earth at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
     
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    I find that ' flesh ' (physical) does count because in the words of Jesus that humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
    Adam was flesh and blood (physical body) with his spirit leaning toward righteousness until he broke God's Law.
    So in that sense, Adam's spirit (his spiritual leanings) were everything because without a spiritual life style the fallen flesh counts for not. Jesus will undo all the damage that Satan and Adam brought upon us. Thus, the humble meek people's spirit who will inherit the Earth will have upright leanings toward righteousness as Adam originally had before his downfall.
     
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