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  1. Fool

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    John 14:20 states
    On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.


    Does the realization of John 14:20 make you a little I of the great I AM?
     
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    No. It's just saying god is in him and he is within god. Like christians have the holy spirit in them. His connection is through sinlessness while christians is through grace.
     
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    if the Holy Spirit is in them, then isn't it intrinsically a microcosm of the Macrocosm? of the Absolute?

    some christians use your analogy. most quakers believe that all are christ.


    What do Quakers believe?
    We believe that every person is loved and guided by God. Broadly speaking, we affirm that "there is that of God in everyone." Everyone is known by God and can know God in a direct relationship. We are called to attend to this relationship and to be guided by it. Quakers use many words to describe the Divine. Some of them include: God, the Light Within, Christ, Spirit, Seed, and Inward Teacher.
     
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    Matthew 23
    12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
     
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    I never heard it put that way before. I can't explain the experience of the holy spirit. It's like having a new life to live and connection with divinity. I wouldn't call it holy spirit anymore because of the reference to christianity.

    Well, the other definition "all are christ" the only way I can see that is all christians are anointed and forgiven by the grace of god. As for being the human christ, no.
     
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    Uhmm... yeah. Wouldn't put it quite like that, but yeah.
     
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    if all are a reflection of the I AM then there is no exaltation of one above the other.

    fail
     
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    There is only one reflection of the I AM.

    Hebrews 1
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    The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

    This is said about no other person in the 66 books of the Bible.

    The I AM gives us His Spirit from His love and good grace. We are by no means any sort of a reflection of His goodness, we are unworthy of His grace.
     
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    John 21:15 says to feed my lambs; which are symbolically christs(arnion).

    again another instance of man as christs.

    Job 25:6
    6 how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot—
    a human being, who is only a worm!”



    similar idea taken from lin-chi

    When he lived in the prefecture of Ho for a time, he instructed local monks. The regional governor, Councillor Wang, visited him and enquired about ch'an practices. "Do the monks of this monastery read the sutras?" Wang asked.

    "No," Lin-chi answered, "they don't read sutras."

    "Do they learn meditation?" Wang persisted.

    "No," Lin-chi said, "they don't learn meditation."

    "If they don't read sutras or learn meditation, what are they doing?"

    "All I do", Lin-chi answered, "is make them become buddhas and patriarchs."
     
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    I AM that i am is a reflection of all that is created. God is omnipresent. everything is an offspring of god.

    Acts 17:28
    ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’

    Jeremiah 23:23-24
    "Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

    Colossians 1:17
    He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

    again another fail
     
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    I don't see how that relates.

    Christ is within god and god within christ. The holy spirit is in christians. God is in Muslims and Jews. Hindus experience god. None of this is symbolic.

    Feed the lambs is feed the disciples. Lambs among wolves-same concept. Those who follow jesus and those who do not. But I don't see how it relates to jesus and god sharing the same nature of sinlessness.
     
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    its all symbolic. numbers are symbolic of quantities. letters are symbolic of ideas. ideas do not have exact forms, they can take an infinite number of forms.


    the word is exact in john 21:15 it symbolized christ. its used in no other aspect except revelation as a symbol of christ


    Luke 10:3 is a literal ovine offspring, or lamb from a sheep. they aren't the same exact words, symbols representing the same idea
     
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    Actually, I don't agree with you at all and I have a hard time understanding you, too. I honestly have no idea where you get the ideas for most of your posts. It's like trying to read Mandarin.
     
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    God is not just a being, God is everything that exists. Jesus was created in heaven and given knowledge so He could design and lead a universe, this universe.

    From a timeline perspective God is the original timeline. Jesus is an offshoot timeline that comes from the original timeline. Everything that exists in this universe is on Jesus timelime, so, everything and everyone is "in" God because God is everything and we are also, in a way, "in" Jesus because we are in His timeline.
     
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    Those with inflated ego's shall be shown how unexceptional they really are.

    Those with low self esteem will be shown how important they really are.
     
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    Jesus had to finish His earthly bestowal mission in order to lead this universe. He already had the power over this universe but He needed to symbolically earn it by proving to the angels by experiencing being human and going through the process of dying.

    Jesus did not purify our sins. We were always forgiven, it was not something new, humans just didn't understand it until after Jesus. The door to heaven was closed to all until Jesus finished His earthly bestowal, then the sleeping were awakened and could continue their ascension to heaven.

    Jesus sat down at the right hand of the majesty of heaven? Heaven is essentially God's brain. Jesus is not in heaven, He is in a higher universal level doing His job.

    Jesus became superior to the angels? He was always superior to the angels. He just had to finish His earthly bestowal mission before taking full charge of this universe.

    Jesus name is superior to others? All beings have a real name, it is not the one your earthly parents gave you. Jesus real name signifies to the angels that He comes from heaven already knowing and that He is meant to rule a universe.
     
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    When Jesus prayed that his followers all be one as he and his Father are one, Jesus was Not praying they all be God.
    Rather, they could be 'one' in: purpose, faith, unity, agreement, goal, objective, etc. at John 17:11; John 17:21-23.

    We can all reflect God's image of love, justice, wisdom and mercy to varying degrees and Not be God.
    The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) only applies to God, and never to Jesus. - Psalms 110
     
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    I find according to Hebrews 9:24 that Jesus is in heaven with his God.
    I also find at 1 Kings 8:39 that heaven is God's home. God's location at 1 Kings 8:49 is his heavenly home.
    Of course, that is Not talking about earth's mid-heavens where the birds fly, or outer space heavens , but a heavenly home location outside of our universe.
     
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    the verses reference god as imminent and omnipresent.

    colossians 3:11 christ is all and in all.

    christ isn't exclusively jesus.
     
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    God created all as ONE.

    Isaiah 45:5
    I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

    Jeremiah 1:5
    "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

    God does not show respect to any personality, or person.

    Job 34:19
    19 How much less to him that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all are the work of his hands.



    Jesus isn't in me; otherwise he would have not arose and descended. God omnipresent doesn't rise or fall like men.


    Numbers 23:19
    El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
     
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