Jibt and Taghut means "sorcerer" (different types) but this translation is hidden these days.

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Jibt appears one time in Quran. It appears with the word "Taghut".

As it appears once, it's hard to prove by Quran what it means. Therefore I will show classical tafsirs and hadiths of what the word means.

Modern Arabic is also not the way to know, since language often changes over time. We have to go back to classical works.

Al-Suyuti collects pretty much all hadiths he can and reports from companions about verses.

We see in Dar Al-Manthur:


وأخرج الفريابي وسعيد بن منصور وعبد بن حميد وابن جرير وابن المنذر وابن أبي حاتم ورستة في الإيمان عن عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال: الجبت الساحر، والطاغوت الشيطان

Umar - "The Jibt is the Sorcerer and Taghut is the Devil"


وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن جرير من طرق عن مجاهد. مثله.

Same report.

وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن أبي حاتم عن ابن عباس قال: الجبت اسم الشيطان بالحبشية، والطاغوت كهان العرب.

Ibn Abbas - "Jibt is a name for Shaitan by the Habshiya and Taghut is Kahen (a sorcerer that is in contact with Jinn and channels to people) for the Arabs"


وأخرج عبد بن حميد عن عكرمة قال: الجبت الشيطان بلسان الحبش، والطاغوت الكاهن.

AKarima - "Al-Jibt is a name for Shaiytan by the Tongue of the Habish, and Taghut is the Kahen (Sorcerer that channels Devils words to humans as well)

وأخرج ابن جرير عن سعيد بن جبير قال: الجبت الساحر بلسان الحبشة، والطاغوت الكاهن.

Jabeer- "The Jibt is the "sorcerer" in the Tongue of the Hab****a and the Taghut is the Kahen

وأخرج عن أبي العالية قال: الطاغوت الساحر، والجبت الكاهن.

Abu Al-Aelaa "The Taghut is the Sorcerer and the Jibt is Al-Kahen"

وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن جرير عن قتادة قال: كنا نحدث أن الجبت شيطان، والطاغوت الكاهن.

Qadata "We use to narrate that Al-Jibt is the Devil and Taghut is the Kahen"


وأخرج ابن جرير وابن أبي حاتم من طريق ليث عن مجاهد قال: الجبت كعب بن الأشرف، والطاغوت الشيطان كان في صورة إنسان.

Kaab ibn Al-Ashraaf "The taghut is the Shaitain in the form of a human"


My comment:

We see that according to a certain people they called Satan 'the sorcerer'. The word Taghut is another word for Kahen which is a sorcerer but in contact with devils and channels their will through things such as card reading or divination through arrows as the Arabs use to do or even channeling words from them.

We also see it's Shaitan but in human form. That is it's his Avatar (per the final hadith), that is the human who channels Shaitain. This is Abu Lahab of the time or Gog in book of Dul-Kifl.

Why do translations hide the meaning.

The word Jibt is a saher, the word Taghut is a Kahen, but not simply any Kahen, but the one Shaitain has chosen.

These days Muslims are hidden these original meaning of words. Instead it's translated as "false deities" or "false gods" or "false idols".

This is not the original meaning though.

This all because Kahens such as Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (a) and didn't want people to see the Jibt and Taghut such himself can't be the Ulil-Amr (which is contrast of God's given authority in his chosen vs the Jibt and Taghut which is chosen by Satan).

What really supports this and verifies this, is a few verses before mentioning Al-Jibt, it says "and whoever the Devil is the close companion of, then evil is that close companion" and this was mentioned by a person who spends wealth to show off to people but does not actually believe in day of judgment or God.


So this an allusion to Shatain picking Gog/Abu Lahab from among "Muslims" in the outward, but that this Muslim was spending much wealth and famous for it, but was not spending for sake of God but deceiving people and showing off.

And The Pharaoh has two phases, Abu Lahab can be outward and manifest leader, or he can be hidden, or somewhat both, such as Yazid killing Imam Hussain (a) while proclaiming he is Muslim.

And Quran says about the Pharaoh, "And we has to be blamed" in contrast to Mohammad (s) in same Surah "And you are not to be blamed".

Those aware of Du'a Saname Quraysh, the words are "Their two Jibts and their two taghuts" (in reference two usurpers who usurped his right), by Imam Ali (a) prayer he would do in every Qunoot in every Salah during their time.

 

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Salam

Jibt appears one time in Quran. It appears with the word "Taghut".

As it appears once, it's hard to prove by Quran what it means. Therefore I will show classical tafsirs and hadiths of what the word means.

Modern Arabic is also not the way to know, since language often changes over time. We have to go back to classical works.

Al-Suyuti collects pretty much all hadiths he can and reports from companions about verses.

We see in Dar Al-Manthur:


وأخرج الفريابي وسعيد بن منصور وعبد بن حميد وابن جرير وابن المنذر وابن أبي حاتم ورستة في الإيمان عن عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال: الجبت الساحر، والطاغوت الشيطان

Umar - "The Jibt is the Sorcerer and Taghut is the Devil"


وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن جرير من طرق عن مجاهد. مثله.

Same report.

وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن أبي حاتم عن ابن عباس قال: الجبت اسم الشيطان بالحبشية، والطاغوت كهان العرب.

Ibn Abbas - "Jibt is a name for Shaitan by the Habshiya and Taghut is Kahen (a sorcerer that is in contact with Jinn and channels to people) for the Arabs"


وأخرج عبد بن حميد عن عكرمة قال: الجبت الشيطان بلسان الحبش، والطاغوت الكاهن.

AKarima - "Al-Jibt is a name for Shaiytan by the Tongue of the Habish, and Taghut is the Kahen (Sorcerer that channels Devils words to humans as well)

وأخرج ابن جرير عن سعيد بن جبير قال: الجبت الساحر بلسان الحبشة، والطاغوت الكاهن.

Jabeer- "The Jibt is the "sorcerer" in the Tongue of the Hab****a and the Taghut is the Kahen

وأخرج عن أبي العالية قال: الطاغوت الساحر، والجبت الكاهن.

Abu Al-Aelaa "The Taghut is the Sorcerer and the Jibt is Al-Kahen"

وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن جرير عن قتادة قال: كنا نحدث أن الجبت شيطان، والطاغوت الكاهن.

Qadata "We use to narrate that Al-Jibt is the Devil and Taghut is the Kahen"


وأخرج ابن جرير وابن أبي حاتم من طريق ليث عن مجاهد قال: الجبت كعب بن الأشرف، والطاغوت الشيطان كان في صورة إنسان.

Kaab ibn Al-Ashraaf "The taghut is the Shaitain in the form of a human"


My comment:

We see that according to a certain people they called Satan 'the sorcerer'. The word Taghut is another word for Kahen which is a sorcerer but in contact with devils and channels their will through things such as card reading or divination through arrows as the Arabs use to do or even channeling words from them.

We also see it's Shaitan but in human form. That is it's his Avatar (per the final hadith), that is the human who channels Shaitain. This is Abu Lahab of the time or Gog in book of Dul-Kifl.

Why do translations hide the meaning.

The word Jibt is a saher, the word Taghut is a Kahen, but not simply any Kahen, but the one Shaitain has chosen.

These days Muslims are hidden these original meaning of words. Instead it's translated as "false deities" or "false gods" or "false idols".

This is not the original meaning though.

This all because Kahens such as Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (a) and didn't want people to see the Jibt and Taghut such himself can't be the Ulil-Amr (which is contrast of God's given authority in his chosen vs the Jibt and Taghut which is chosen by Satan).

What really supports this and verifies this, is a few verses before mentioning Al-Jibt, it says "and whoever the Devil is the close companion of, then evil is that close companion" and this was mentioned by a person who spends wealth to show off to people but does not actually believe in day of judgment or God.


So this an allusion to Shatain picking Gog/Abu Lahab from among "Muslims" in the outward, but that this Muslim was spending much wealth and famous for it, but was not spending for sake of God but deceiving people and showing off.

And The Pharaoh has two phases, Abu Lahab can be outward and manifest leader, or he can be hidden, or somewhat both, such as Yazid killing Imam Hussain (a) while proclaiming he is Muslim.

And Quran says about the Pharaoh, "And we has to be blamed" in contrast to Mohammad (s) in same Surah "And you are not to be blamed".

Those aware of Du'a Saname Quraysh, the words are "Their two Jibts and their two taghuts" (in reference two usurpers who usurped his right), by Imam Ali (a) prayer he would do in every Qunoot in every Salah during their time.

Whatever they mean, those words or terms were known among Arabs. So, it predates Islam. Just like the word Jinns. It predates Muhammad. It is not like the Quran is teaching these things for the first time, and people did not know these words or terms before Muhammad. For example when they called Muhammad Majnoon, they meant one who communicates with Jinns. Majnoon, is from the same word as Jin. جن، مجنون.
So, Quran is speaking to them with the same words and terms the Arabs were familiar with. And to me, these are superstitious. Neither Jin, evil, devil or Taghoot literally exist. But Quran is using these terms symbolically, simply because they get a sense with these words. They could understand what wrongdoing and evilness is with these terms. That's all.

 

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The Arabs were worshiping Satan and his forces in the open and manifestly and outwardly, per Imam Ali (a). They use to practice divination and were into the dark magic from Iblis.

 

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Whatever they mean, those words or terms were known among Arabs. So, it predates Islam. Just like the word Jinns. It predates Muhammad. It is not like the Quran is teaching these things for the first time, and people did not know these words or terms before Muhammad. For example when they called Muhammad Majnoon, they meant one who communicates with Jinns. Majnoon, is from the same word as Jin. جن، مجنون.
So, Quran is speaking to them with the same words and terms the Arabs were familiar with. And to me, these are superstitious. Neither Jin, evil, devil or Taghoot literally exist. But Quran is using these terms symbolically, simply because they get a sense with these words. They could understand what wrongdoing and evilness is with these terms. That's all.

They all literally exist, but it's up to you, you can believe in unseen or disbelieve.

 

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They all literally exist, but it's up to you, you can believe in unseen or disbelieve.

I don't believe they exist in a physical form. Just as Soul, God or Spirit, that don't have physical forms, and do not occupy location. In the unseen realm, we only have God, Humans Souls, and the Holy spirit. But no other beings. Jinns are human souls with certain characteristics. But nothing strange.

 

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I don't believe they exist in a physical form. Just as Soul, God or Spirit, that don't have physical forms, and do not occupy location. In the unseen realm, we only have God, Humans Souls, and the Holy spirit. But no other beings. Jinns are human souls with certain characteristics. But nothing strange.

Yeah you don't recognize Angels vs Satans from Jinn, and the role of humans in that battle. You don't understand Quran at all.

 

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Bahai interpretation of Quran is too playful to take seriously. This is why you guys only have old people left and young ones are not coming.

 

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Bahai interpretation of Quran is too playful to take seriously. This is why you guys only have old people left and young ones are not coming.

In recorded traditions it is written, when the Mahdi comes, True Religion is so changed, that they think, Mahdi is teaching a false Religion. Well, I see these literal interpretation of Jinns, Satan, etc. as one for sure. In Bahai view, These are Mutishabihiat (Metaphors and symbols), as the Quran says some of its verses are such. This is a forgotten teaching of Islam. Something that, caused Islam to go in the wrong way. It is misinterpretation of the Quran and Hadith.

 

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In recorded traditions it is written, when the Mahdi comes, True Religion is so changed, that they think, Mahdi is teaching a false Religion. Well, I see these literal interpretation of Jinns, Satan, etc. as one for sure. In Bahai view, These are Mutishabihiat (Metaphors and symbols), as the Quran says some of its verses are such. This is a forgotten teaching of Islam. Something that, caused Islam to go in the wrong way. It is misinterpretation of the Quran and Hadith.

No when the Mahdi comes, he will tell us "God" is a metaphor as well and all miracles were hence metaphors and not real, and you can follow person too.

It was so changed that people took God literally as well, what a dumb people!

 

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No when the Mahdi comes, he will tell us "God" is a metaphor as well and all miracles were hence metaphors and not real, and you can follow person too.

It was so changed that people took God literally as well, what a dumb people!

That's also true in a way. In Bahai view, when the Quran says, humanity meets with God on Day of Resurrection, it meant meeting with the Mahdi, as the Manifestation of God, because God Himself is invisible, unknowable and inaccessible, so it is impossible to meet God directly, thus, meeting with God is not literal, it is symbolic.

 

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The meeting of God is not literal as anyone will see his full reality, but it's not just receiving Nubuwa from a Prophet or a message from a Messenger either.

It's that higher reality which we be veiled to now, becomes apparent, and that doors to the sky are opened, and just as Surah Hijr shows, people can ascend that sky and not be ready for the signs therein and reality of it. But the day of meeting him is such that God displays his signs in a way no soul can doubt. They will also be not able to speak and offer excuses and it's one way show of proofs. No dialogue about it.

At the end when they see the punishment, they will admit their faults, but it's too late. The reality we are all connected to is here in this world too, but not to the full degree of the day of judgment.

That reality is Mohammad (s) and his family (a) in their unseen utmost limit state, but we are veiled to that, and only will come to know the worth of loving Ahlulbayt (a) on the day of judgment. We also will know the consequence of disloyalty to them or hating them.

While it's true no one can see God fully, there is a way to see him beyond the veils of light and come to the source of grandeur and that is the "utmost limit" where Mohammad (S) was two bows or closer still. There the signs of God are so connected to him and this is why they are called "the (close) side of God", because they are so close to him.

In the Unseen, however, there is a battle that happens by a tug war between unseen entities.

The devils try to pull you towards their world, and Ahlulbayt (a) and Angels (A) towards God.

In Surah Ibrahim we see the Shaitan will say all he did was "call" and they responded to his call. Of course, this call is a heavy pull in the unseen, a psychological heavy pull, and it's same with "the caller of God", all the power from God he uses, at the end, is but a call to God and we must respond, as Quran says "it is but a reminder", Ahlulbayt (A) too are but a reminder, loving them is but a reminder, that pull to God is but a reminder. But that reminder provides sustenance and unseen weapons and shields against Iblis forces. The unseen stars of guidance in sky connected to this world are to be used to hit the devils per Quran.

This reality of two worlds, two ways of astral projecting, two ways of connecting to unseen, one towards Shayateen and Seher, and one towards God and Ahlulbayt (a) is the center of the spiritual message of Quran, it's warning to those who turn away from the reminder, and it's good news to the believers.