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Jews call for the dismantling of the Zionist state of Israel

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Pink Top Hat, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. Flankerl

    Flankerl Well-Known Member

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    And so begins the usual "real jews" bulls....

    People who hate jews always had a thing to sort jews into false and true jews.
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    It was not "illegal" as 2/3 of the U.N. authorized the division whereas only 1/6 was for "Israel".

    Most are not "atheists", and there's a big difference between "unaffiliated" and "atheism".

    Not true again. Matter of fact, the U.N. provision had it that any Palestinians that were displaced could receive compensation, and this was to be financed actually through mostly U.S. funds.

    So, you honestly believe that Jews weren't attacked previously there prior to becoming a state? Aren't you even aware of the fact that we couldn't even visit our holy sites in Jerusalem when the Jordanians controlled it? Aren't you aware that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem praised Hitler's dealing with the "Final Solution", and promised there'd been Jewish blood spilled throughout the area?

    As before, it was not "stolen", so you simply are not telling the truth, plus the fact that you have created your own "history". Secondly, the partitioning of a former country is not at all unusual in history, as we've seen this with India, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, for examples, and a great many people in those countries had to move.
     
  3. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    I'm not on any high horse. I.vehemently oppose war when there is any feasible alternative. I opposed the invasion of Iraq etc.
    What I'm talking about is the US continuing to support violence by supporting Israel. We are not in charge of what they do over there, but I resent paying for it.

    Tom
     
  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Are you aware of the fact that when we give foreign aid it's not like we are giving away money and not getting anything back for it?
     
  5. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    I don't know why the zionistes calling for religious state for jews ?
    they had muslims and christians ...;etc
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Are you opposed to officially Islamic states, such as Saudi Arabia whereas no churches or synagogues can be built under their law, and yet we find many churches and mosques in Israel?
     
  7. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    I am Algerian , and Suni Muslim .
    yes i am opposed Saudi Arabia in many issues , especialy in freedom of religious ...etc
    so you want Israel to become like Saudi Arabia (religious state)?
     
  8. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Certainly not, and it's nowhere near like the Saudis. BTW, the official religion of Algeria is Islam, so maybe that you think should be changed?
     
  9. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    Yes ,official religion of Algeria is Islam , and we accept the other religions .

    Zionistes want remove the other religions and races from Israel .

    why the zionistes abuse the muslims by entering to their Mosque (Almasjid Alaksa ) by the force of Police ?

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    why we will never see muslims rolling in "Crying Wall" ,by the protection of Israeli police ?


    Why the zionistes insiste that Israel is jewish ,if is not because there is a plan, of kick out the muslim and christians from Israel ?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Which is why the last synagogue got destroyed in Algeria in 1977?

    Absolutely false.

    False again, and I've been in the al-Aqsa mosque when there's been Muslems there and I saw no such "force" against them. Have you ever been there?

    What are you talking about?

    Again, false, and it begs the question who's been feeding you this utter nonsense? Maybe instead of posting out of nothing but sheer ignorance on this subject you actually might want to either visit there are study from non-radicalized sources.
     
  11. columbus

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    I realize that the money enhances the profitability of US weapons manufacturing. It also buys votes from US Zionists. It keeps a nuclear armed proxy army close to the oil fields.

    None of this impresses me much.

    It also raises the deficit, costing the taxpayer more than double once the interest is counted. It presents security risks. It damages US credibility.
    Can anybody take seriously US opposition to Iran's nuclear weapons program claiming we want to keep such weapons out of the ME when we are subsidizing the current owner of such?

    Tom
     
  12. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    Of course they are. When it suits people the 'Zionists' are apocalyptic religious fanatics, and when it doesn't they are godless atheists who have no traditional convictions.
    Let me enlighten you as you appear to be someone who is blind to the phenomenon called pluralism. While most Israelis believe in a higher force, Israel has a pluralistic society with all levels of observance. Something which is unfortunately lacking in the nations around Israel. The fact that you hold such a grudge against atheists or secular people as to voice such an utter ignorant collective ad hominem tells me of the depraved state the cultural niche you found yourself in is promoting.
    I know that comparing your fantasies to everyday news which are flowing out of the region is a huge task, however Israel is the one true bastion of reason in a region in which hundreds of thousands of Arabs have butchered each other and made millions of other refugees in the past 3 years. Israel is the least of the issues in this apocalyptic wet dream of yours.
    Well I guess the fact that you believe that the men and women of the American intelligence community and the scientists and engineers behind American technology market are complete fools is a good thing. I'm sure it gets you off someone's back, so I'll leave you to entertain this one frustration.

    I have no idea what you said above, it sounds like some kind of a grand phobia lingo which I have no way to relate to and decipher.
     
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    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    Again the epic display of intellectual breakdown. This constant diversion of American foreign policy enterprise which is spread on decades and the focus on this one pluralistic state is an embarrassment. If it wasn't Israel, your Empire would use another pawn. Israel loses much more than the average American from this arrangement.
    Your nation does not support violence by supporting Israel. It EXECUTES violence everyday by erasing towns and communities between the Tigris and the Euphrates, and by operating drones in Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. It has absolutely nothing to do with Israel; it's your empire's war for global hegemony and to pin it on one small state, as competent as that state may be is a compete lack of desire to address American domestic and foreign affairs, and global affairs like an adult. It is the mantra of appeasement and groveling.
    When the US will exhaust its interest in the Middle East in the future, it will move all of its focus and resources to East Asia most likely. Then another small and progressive state in that region such as South Korea or Singapore will become the new red herring of populist Americans who are too lazy to become adults in the world of the 21st century and can only repeat the same mantras over and over again.
     
  14. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Name calling, fulminating, finger pointing & deflection don't defeat his legitimate view that US obsession with Israel results in massive violence, with the Iranian, Afghan & Iraqi messes being part of it. And if the US returns to Asia for more deadly & costly foreign adventurism, then we'll decry that too. Foreign advanturism has been a disaster, & many of us would like to give it up...which is a very "adult" view.
     
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    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    I see the jester is back. Stick to juggling, I have no time to guide you point by point again as you have miserably failed to grasp them the last time. Go back to previous threads and read each paragraph this time. There is no point repeating the same methodology of me providing you a wealth of information and your chronic refusal to address it seriously.
     
  16. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    This is a shallow dismissal. Let go of the anger, & consider that Americastan's policies
    & history with Israel are broader than mere military & foreign aid. Other countries
    figure in too, eg, the threat (which fortunately appears to be waning) of war with Iran.
    This history has served us poorly, & to want change by ending foreign adventurism
    makes sense. Again, you've countered this view with naught but name calling.
     
  17. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    The above needs serious editing and revising in order for it to make sense. Please fix and submit again. You want to end foreign adventurism? By all means begin by withdrawing every American soldier from every corner of the earth. Including (but not limited to) Eastern Europe, the Middle East and East Asia. Once you remove your imposing Imperial presence and your economic leverage you can go back to pretending that you are dragged into other people's back yards against your will.
     
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    You misunderstand (as before) the nature of our being "dragged into" the conflict, & the significance I place upon it.
    There are multiple causes for the US being enmeshed, but I'm addressing the consequences & proposed solution.
    "Pretending"? Really? Such uncivil bluster & dismissal is inconsistent with your flaunting those shields of peace & knowledge.
     
  19. columbus

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    I'm only focused on Israel because it is the OP. There is plenty of violence in the world and the US contributions appall me. But we're hardly the only ones..
    I want the US to stop supporting violence and Israel is just one place to start.

    Tom
     
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  20. Caladan

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    As I said above, the solution is for you to withdraw the physical presence of your troops and your economic enslavement. Once you can do these two simple things other societies can begin acting as if it is a reality and not your fantasy. Right now, countless of nations (including mine) are married to yours whether they really want to or not, these countries play your game. Release us and stop playing Roman Empire. American McDonald culture cannot fit the shoes of Cicero and Marcus Aurelius anyhow.
    There are too many states caught between the US, Russia, China, and an aspiring EU and their chess orgy for oil. There is no point making these states into boogeymen while they are the pawns of the major players who are fortunate enough to have human numbers on their side.
     
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