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Featured Jewish Interpretations of Genesis

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Left Coast, Oct 12, 2021.

  1. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I thought this thread specificially, explicitely asked for only Jewish answers. Did I misunderstand?
     
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  2. Left Coast

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    Thanks for this. I'm wondering if you feel a similar way about Genesis 6-8? Is the flood story also myth rather than literal history, in your view?
     
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    No, that's what I asked for. ;)
     
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    Yes. I think scholars attribute the legend to a local flood that happened. And actually the sumerians have an earlier version of the story.
     
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    Science has recently proven, with DNA, that Neanderthals and Denisovans have mated with humans. Some have up to 1/6 Neanderthal DNA. Could it be that the nephilim (huge humanoid creatures mentioned in the bible) could be the Neanderthal or Denisovans? Who did Adam's kids mate with? Eve? Or were there other humanoids on earth? There are sites, in Israel, where early man and Neanderthals coexisted.

    Scientists now know that relativity is right, and that means that time for us might not be time for someone else. Time slows at high speeds and in strong gravitational fields. So, 6 days for God might be 13.8 billion years for us. It would be interesting to see how fast God would have to be traveling to alter time in this way, or interesting to see how strong the gravitational field would have to be for God to be in a different time. I wonder if any physicists would like to compute this. It is possible that God was both in a strong gravitational field and going fast.

    Surely, at the time that the universe was created, if God was standing somewhat nearby, he likely was in a strong gravitational field.

    There is also the idea that time in the bible is misinterpreted. My friend recently told me that the so-called days might have been epochs or eras, which may have been billions of years long.
     
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    As a Comparative Mythologist, I really am naturally "multy religious" because I analyse and compare all cultural religions.
     
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    1: Yes-
    “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:4)
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    And the word "giant" probably referred not to physical giants but to intellectual giants whose genes and DNA gave a boost to the human race.
    We could speculate that today's truthseekers and thinkers can trace their bloodline back to those ancient giants of old and are not afraid to stand tall..:)
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    2: Yes time is funny stuff, for examp in a TV science prog fronted by Stephen Hawking he said time runs slower for people standing near the Great Pyramid or any other massive object.
    Perhaps the Egyptians somehow knew that and thought the decomposition of the Pharoah's body inside would be slowed.

    3- Jesus said "this generation" will see the end of the world, and in context we could speculate that the word "generation" refers to the entire generation of humans since the Big Bang.
     
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    This is the "psychological interpretation" of the ancient myths. "Giants" represents in general "larger celestial scenarios" as for instants larger star constellations or the large figure of the Earth encircling Milky Way band as illustrated in my Mytho-cosmological website here at - Keys to unlock the doors of Milky Way Mythology
     
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    I'm looking for the perspectives of Jews in this thread. Not syncretists, not Christians, not students of religion...practitioners of Judaism.

    Please kindly bow out if that isn't you.
     
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    I went to a Lubavitch seminar on the Creation accounts about 20 years ago, and one of the commentaries they put forth was that what we read in the Genesis accounts is the 7th and last creations by haShem with the previous ones only partially being destroyed.
     
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    I recede to that display of non-comparable comparables !

    " time has no meaning ", the future is unknowable, the past is just memories.

    `time` doesn't move......we do, no matter the format of one's `gods`
     
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    Not everyone who uses Genesis takes it literally, or even symbolically. There are those of us who understand Gen 1-3 as being creation myths. And a myth is a perfectly suitable genre of literature for a religious text. So its not as though you have to say, "well, each day was an age." You can understand that each day was simply one verse in a song with seven verses.
     
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    Especially in light of the earlier and much more widespread Babylonian creation narratives.
     
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    And yet people assume we "reject" Genesis. They don't understand that we see value in myth.
     
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    Are you familiar with Joseph Campbell's and Bill Moyer's "The Power of Myth"? My favorite line from Campbell that I periodically use here at RF is "...and the myth became the reality."
     
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    Amazing isn't it...the ability to disseminate the meaning of thoughts of the ancients.

    Roll over Moses, another myth is doomed.
     
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    A big part of the Jewish belief is to adopt science.
    Evolution does not contradict the bible. It is even hinted in the text.
    Dinosaurs are not contradicting. These are also mentioned.
    With the big bang, there are several similarities that will probably surprise many people.
    The Jewish belief doesn't believe in young earth, rather young life. but this is also a bit more complex.
    I Study them literally and "suggestively". This is a very hard and complex task.
    "suggestively" is based on suggested meaning of a word (like head of the tribe, doesn't really mean a literal head)

    If you want I can give you some examples.
    The Jewish belief claims they must be taken literally, but not without the suggestive part of it as it can cause misinterpertation.
    No.
    That's not how it is written.
    Adam is both Adam and Eve.
    Later on, there is a split between male and female which only after that there is a literal separation of Adam and Eve.
    The life "source" of Adam, and all other life forms, is Eve.
    (That's far more complex than that).
    No. The word Yom doesn't mean 24 hours rather era. Later it is written that the word "Yom" was also "borrowed" to describe the time of day.
    It describes the process was divided into 7 eras.
    Sort of. It speaks of an event that eliminated the vast majority of life on earth. It included a kind of flood, rain, boiling water and stuff like that.
    I don't practice Judaism, but I study it quite a lot. It is a very complex religion to learn.
     
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    Does that mean all the others, other than the Jewish race, were created separately and not through Adam and Eve?

    Or is there something significant to your breaking of that sentence as "the beginning of the lineage of the Jewish people"?

    Please clarify if you get some time.
     
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    But, the night time and daytime describes a 24 hour day and that's how genesis gives the days of creation. So the meaning of the word Yowm, though it can depict an era of course, is described and clarified in the verse itself with day and night.
     
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    And to go along with this, "yom" must refer to actual days as on the 7th day it says that God rested, thus is the introduction of Shabbat even though it wasn't mandated until Moshe's time.
     
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