Agreed. The Bible is one, and is meant to be read as one.SOGFPP said:If you can't trust ALL of the Bible........ why trust ANY of the Bible.
Scott
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Agreed. The Bible is one, and is meant to be read as one.SOGFPP said:If you can't trust ALL of the Bible........ why trust ANY of the Bible.
Scott
I was being facetious, of course. At the same time, it is useful to remember that you have no first-hand knowledge of "his" teachings.painted wolf said:Deut by that I meant that regardless of the genuine existance of Jesus, his teachings do offer some good advice.
It is impossible to trust All of the Bible because of the contradictions. If someone says they believe all of the bible, then they would be a hypocrit. We should however trust some of it because it has been reinforced through the Quran. I realize christians do not believe Muhammad was a prophet; but some of the inconsistencies/lies of the bible have been corrected in this book. Also, some of the truths have been reinforced. In the book of Jeremiah he talks about how the books of the bible before him have been corrupted by the lying pens of the scribes."Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of YHWH. How can you say, 'We are wise, for we have the Torah of YHWH,' when actually the lying pen of the Scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the Word of YHWH, what kind of Wisdom do they have?" Jeremiah 8:7-9SOGFPP said:If you can't trust ALL of the Bible........ why trust ANY of the Bible.
Scott
I do not know exactly what the compilers of the Bible believed because I do not know how much it has been changed since from intentional changes to unintentional translation errors. The Quran again is a good guide, but we need to use reason as well when reading the Bible. It sure is a whole lot easier to follow the teachings of Paul than the teachings of the Prophets. There were rules from the Prophets, but according to Paul even cannibalism is ok. "There is nothing unclean of itself:but to him that esteemeth it to be unclean, to him it is unclean." Romans 14:14. This is quite contradictory to Deuteronomy 14 where it speaks of many things that are unclean.SOGFPP said:How do you know what is truth and what is lies? If the writers of the Bible were so ignorant and deceived to include the writings of the anti-christ Paul (and follow those teachings I might add) how do you know if ANY of the Bible is correct?
Because Jesus was a Nazarite, he would not eat flesh, much as John the Baptist did not eat flesh. I realize the bible says John ate locusts, but this refers to the fruit of the locust tree, which is the carob(a tasty replacement for chocolate for those who have not tried it). The reason for taking the Nazarite vow is to become closer with God. Jesus would not have said it is weak to do something to become closer to God.SOGFPP said:Again..... how can you be sure Jesus did not call people weak? Because it's not in the Bible? You already said there were "modifications for whatever reasons throughout history"..... maybe Jesus saying this was removed..... how can you be sure??
Oh what a tangled web we weave ...john313 said:Because Jesus was a Nazarite, he would not ...
This sounds like the spaceship story I heard years ago about how God is going to do it in the end. He's going to come for those he wants to save in his spaceship where he will be taking people to the "new earth" mentioned in the scriptures. The "new heaven" is elsewhere also. Then God blows this planet up and the saved live happily ever after on some other planet that's just like this one was in the beginning. I wish I could remember where I heard this story.mahayana said:There was a book many years ago entitled "The Passover Plot" which argued that Jesus planned to fake his death and ressurection. Perhaps there was a drug in the vinegar that made Jesus appear to die, or "angel" alien doctors brought him back to life in the tomb and they all beamed up to "heaven?"
Does man need Satan to do wrong? When he himself is one of the greatest doers of wrong in existance?Greyprophet said:Jesus was an ordinary man? You are blinded by Satan.
The Passover Plot was written forty years ago and you seem to have forgotten the author's explanation of the story in significant areas.mahayana said:There was a book many years ago entitled "The Passover Plot" which argued that Jesus planned to fake his death and ressurection. Perhaps there was a drug in the vinegar that made Jesus appear to die, or "angel" alien doctors brought him back to life in the tomb and they all beamed up to "heaven?"
But to make a correction jesus is the incarnation of balarama the first expansion of the lord or creation as it were, indeed he was the word.Moses the God Archetype* said::tsk: We seem to have forgotten that God came here once before as the great Hare-Krishna to spread truth and love to those that were willing to accept him, i think the reason that most people don't remember krishna in there topics of discussion is that he came so long before the time of chirst that he does not come into our radar except for those that search for him with a longing heart and thirst for knowlegde,ye who seek shall find my people, chirst was nothin more than Krishna returned in another vessel but essentally teaching us lesser enlighted mortals the same message,of devotion(bhakti) to serve the greater good in the divines path only this time that message was giving thru self sacfrice.......
Jesus was dead. Check this out. John 19:34 "Instead, one of the soilders pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water". Before he died, Jesus went into hypovolemic shock . This is the effect when someone looses large amounts of blood. This does four things: 1) the heart races to rty and pump blood that isn't there. 2)the blood pressure drops drops causing fainting or collapsing. 3)the kidneys stop producing urine to maintain what volume is left.. 4)the person become very thirsty and the body crave fluids to replace the lost blood volume. Jesus was in hypovolemic shock as he staggered up the road to the execution site, carrying the horizontal beam of the cross. Finally Jesus collapsed and the Roman soilder ordered Siomon to carry the cross for him and Jesus said "I thirst" at which point a sip of vinegar was offered to him.mahayana said:There was a book many years ago entitled "The Passover Plot" which argued that Jesus planned to fake his death and ressurection. Perhaps there was a drug in the vinegar that made Jesus appear to die, or "angel" alien doctors brought him back to life in the tomb and they all beamed up to "heaven?"