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Jesus Was Not A Jew

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by FearGod, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. Jainarayan

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    It's not a distortion, it's a translation. :facepalm:

    Hebrew Yeshua -> Greek Iēsous -> Latin Iesus -> English Jesus. :rolleyes:

    Neither Greek nor Latin have /sh/ phoneme. They follow their own language conventions of masc. nom. sing. inflections, hence the /us/ endings.
     
  2. Caladan

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    We are supposed to deny that a teacher who extensively discussed Jewish law, quoted the Jewish scriptures, preached in Jewish synagogues, called the Jewish temple in Jerusalem 'My father's house', and claimed to have come only for the Jews... was in fact Jewish.
    And from that conclusion we are supposed to jump to the fact that he was in fact a member of a religion which was created centuries after Judaism and which relied extensively on Jewish lore and scriptures.
    How incredibly educational. Truly an enigma solved.
    I love it how Jesus and the Prophets of Israel are all Muslims, but finding a Muslim who ever read the words of the gospels or the words of Jeremiah the prophet is such a rare commodity.
    Before Muslims can claim that either Jesus or the Hebrew prophets were Muslim, they need to actually know what these men have said.
     
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    Yes, the enigma is solved. Now I think we should move on to the really important issues like... will Twinkies still be made, and if not what are we supposed to batter and fry!? Fried Oreos gets tiresome. :sad4:
     
  4. outhouse

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    you forgot Yehosua which may have been his real name
     
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    You try so hard. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Jainarayan

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    Yeah, I think there's a glottal stop... Yeh' shua, like the uh in uh-oh. Where's a Hebrew speaker when you need one? :p Either spelling means Joshua.
     
  7. FearGod

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    Names never translated,if i am george in USA,i'll be george in India or Spain,
    What happened isn't translation,but distortion.
     
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    Bullcrap, your information is distorted, that's what's distorted. Stop while you're behind. In Spain you would be Jorge (hor-hey) or Yoryeh or Chorch. European Spanish does not have a phoneme for the /j/ sound in George. That's why a Spanish speaker will say "Yeep" for Jeep. In Latin America some dialects will do the opposite and pronounce 'yo' (I) as 'jo'.
     
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    George
    Gjergj (Albanian)
    Gorka (Basque)
    Jori (Finnish)
    Giorgos (Greek)
    Jorge (Spanish)
    Jerzy (Polish)

    etc, etc, etc....
     
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    would you prefer yehoshua or yeshu



    dont hold out, how do you think joshua was spelled in Galilee first century
     
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    Yep :)


    what im curious about is how he would have spelled it himself, if he possibly could spell it.


    what was the oldest aramaic hebrew spelling from his time and place.
     
  12. Jainarayan

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    Is that what George is in Polish!? I always saw the name Jerzy but didn't know it was George.

    "Which way did he go George, which way did he go?"

    "I'm going to pet him and squeeze him and hug him. If he's bad I'm going to rub his fur the wrong way" (I don't get out much :sad4:).
     
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    Jesus was a Jew.
    Christianity was a Jewish sect until Paul's version became dominate.
    Paul's version of Christianity then became Romanized by Constantine.

    So, modern day Christianity is the Roman interpretation of an offshoot of a Jewish sect.
     
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    I don't know about the other stuff, but Aramaic and Hebrew are separate languages, much like Italian and Spanish.
     
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    So if my passport say George,then in Poland airport they'll call me Jerzy



    i'll give you an example that your point is wrong,here is the translation of George from English to Spanish and you can try other languages if you wish

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    I think your right on that
     
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    If they wrote a book about George, and it was published in, oh lets say Korea, the title would read...

    "Hogisim Maneun Joji" (&#54840;&#44592;&#49900;&#47566;&#51008;&#51312;&#51648;)
    ;)
     
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    I would prefer less pretense.
     
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    George Michael in Polish article

    Po przeprowadzce w 1975 roku George trafi&#322; do Bushey Meads Comprehensive School w Herts i tam w&#322;a&#347;nie pozna&#322; Andrew Ridgeley'a. Nie&#347;mia&#322;y, ale zdolny syn greckiego emigranta, szybko zaprzyja&#378;ni&#322; si&#281; z weso&#322;ym, pewnym siebie Andym. Obu ich fascynowa&#322;a muzyka, sp&#281;dzali wi&#281;c ca&#322;e popo&#322;udnia i wieczory na s&#322;uchaniu i komponowaniu piosenek

    Reference: George Michael
     
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