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Featured Jesus was born on 9/11 (1 Tishri 3 BC)

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by penxv, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Excellent! And so, finally, after splashing years and years of irrelevant history at me, you finally just address my first post and demand to be shown sources.

    Your post ends: Provide Sources. nice.

    If you think that the Legate of all the Syrian Territories would bother to personally oversee a census in three minor provinces within his remit, then you've lost the plot. He would have passed instruction down to his subordinate in charge of that area, a prefect. When the prefect lost control the Syrian Legate then had to supervise it all himself. I expect that he was quite irritated................. Please read this, and I hope that you might learn from it:

    Judas the Galilean (6 CE)
    Sources: Flavius Josephus, Jewish War 2.433 and Jewish Antiquities 18.1-10 and 18.23; Acts of the apostles 5.37.
    Story: The Jewish king Herod Archelaus was an incapable ruler, and the Roman authorities decided to dispose him in 6 CE. His realm, Judea, Samaria and Idumea, was annexed as the province Judaea. The new governor, a man named Coponius, tried to establish new taxes, but a large rebellion was the only result. Its leader was Judas the Galilean, and when the high priest Joazar had shown himself incapable of overcoming the rebellion, the governor of adjacent Syria interfered and conducted the census. This was Publius Sulpicius Quirinius, well known from the census mentioned in the Gospel of Luke (2.2).
    There was one Judas, a Galilean, of a city whose name was Gamala, who, taking with him Zadok, a Pharisee, became zealous to draw them to a revolt. Both said that this taxation was no better than an introduction to slavery, and exhorted the nation to assert their liberty; as if they could procure them happiness and security for what they possessed, and an assured enjoyment of a still greater good, which was that of the honor and glory they would thereby acquire for magnanimity. They also said that God would not otherwise be assisting to them, than upon their joining with one another in such councils as might be successful, and for their own advantage; and this especially, if they would set about great exploits, and not grow weary in executing the same. So men received what they said with pleasure, and this bold attempt proceeded to a great height.
    [Flavius Josephus, Jewish Antiquities 18.4-6]
     
  2. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe the Bible reported a census. Too bad history is deficient on that.

    I believe there were many Herods. If the Bible only says Herod then how do you determine it was Herod the great?

    I believe a Roman command would have to be obeyed whether it was practical or not and Romans were not concerned about the health and safety of Jews.

    When men are visiting a city the flocks can't be in the city but in the fields. There was no choice in the matter.

    I believe this is unsupportable. You are not able to get in a person's head that lived thousands of years ago and claim to know what they knew and didn't know. One might make a case for Luke not being from Israel but he said that he inestigated which meant it wasn't his own information.

    I believe that is balderdash.

    I believe the claim that something must be historical to be true has no merit.
     
  3. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe I fail to see how that is relevant. Certainly you are not going to claim that if an author is right about one thing he is right about everything. (not that I am saying he is right about one thing)
     
  4. shunyadragon

    shunyadragon shunyadragon
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    Rainbow type does not help your argument. The Roman records are accurate enough to know when and where the census occurred, Romans were great bureaucrats and keep good records of such things.
     
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