Jesus vs the New Testament

[74x12]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.


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Yes the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is from Jesus.

 

[sooda]

Didn't you just say that Jesus was a jew, wasn't there to change judaism, etc etc
So why wouldn't this writing be judaism? You are arguing that the new testament isn't Judaism? Then it contradicts Jesus, per discussion subject.

No.. I am saying there are many styles of writing in the Bible. John is very different from Luke or Matthew or Mark.. and Revelation is a very old Jewish apocalyptic style.

 

[sooda]

Yes the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is from
Jesus.

Right.. That's why Jesus didn't know that Ur of the Chaldeans didn't exist at the time of Abraham or that Nazareth was 90 miles from Jerusalem.. That's why he wrote in so many different writing styles.

 

[sooda]

I agree. Jesus was many things, An observant Jew, a holy man who spoke as a prophet, a mystic, etc., but his mission was to the Jews, to renew the spirit, the heart of the Torah.

Yep.. That's what Jesus said very clearly more than once.

 

[Riders]

I had a video up while back about a guy who said one of the Greek Pagan leaders after Constantine created and made up the New Testament for Jews to have the Jewish Messiah and it was really something that seemed pretty authentic and pursausive .

 

[74x12]

Right.. That's why Jesus didn't know that Ur of the Chaldeans didn't exist at the time of Abraham or that Nazareth was 90 miles from Jerusalem.. That's why he wrote in so many different writing styles.

Prophets and apostles wrote the scriptures with guidance from the Spirit of Jesus that was in them. That is why it was written in different styles. As for Ur; yes it was there during the time of Abraham.

 

[sooda]

Prophets and apostles wrote the scriptures with guidance from the Spirit of Jesus that was in them. That is why it was written in different styles. As for Ur; yes it was there during the time of Abraham.

Nope.. There was no Ur until 600 BC.. Much too late for Abraham.

Do you also believe in talking snakes and men surviving in the belly of a fish for 3 days?

 

[Riders]

Watch this see what yall think of this, was the messiah made up by The Flaviums?

 

[sooda]

Watch this see what yall think of this, was the messiah made up by The Flaviums?

This is hogwash. Its so clearly propaganda peppered with a few truths.

 

[sooda]

The Flavian dynasty was a Roman imperial dynasty, which ruled the Roman Empire between 69 AD and 96 AD, encompassing the reigns of Vespasian (69–79), and his two sons Titus (79–81) and Domitian (81–96).

The Flavians rose to power during the civil war of 69, known as the Year of the Four Emperors.

 

[Kenny]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.


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Haven't found anything that is straight fiction.

 

[Desert Snake]

Haven't found anything that is straight fiction.

I believe the Spiritual sacrifice to be completely true, as the commentary to the Apostles, Matthew, so forth, to be completely true.

 

[MJFlores]

I have seen so many post about the Lord Jesus Christ being a:

1. hologram
2. manifestation
3. invention of the Roman Empire
4. fictional
5. God in the flesh
6. Anymore which anybody want to add to this?

If the Lord Jesus Christ is an invention of the Roman Empire to create a Roman Catholic Church, using the New Testament Bible as the basis of their teachings, well I would have to say the Popes and their priests did a bad job.

If the RCC created, invented the Bible, then the Bible runs contrary to their teachings. Oh, their "Holy Week" is fast approaching, do you know what the priest would prohibit during Lent?

Every person 14 years or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and all the Fridays of Lent.

• Canon 1250: All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the entire Church.
• Canon 1251: Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
• Canon 1252: All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.
• Canon 1253: It is for the conference of bishops to determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence and to substitute in whole or in part for fast and abstinence other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.

Fasting and Abstinence - Easter / Lent - Catholic Online

And what does the Roman Catholic Church prohibit among its clergy? They can't marry.

Canonically, priests cannot marry for a number of reasons. First, priests who belong to religious orders take vows of celibacy. Second, while diocesan priests do not take vows, they do make a promise of celibacy.

Third, the Church has established impediments that block the validity of marriages attempted by those who have been ordained. Canon 1087 states: “Persons who are in holy orders invalidly attempt marriage.”

This impediment remains as long as the priest has not been dispensed from it, even if he were to attempt a civil marriage, even if he left the Church and joined a non-Catholic sect, and even if he apostatized from the Christian faith altogether. He cannot be validly married after ordination unless he receives a dispensation from the Holy See (CIC 1078 §2, 1).

Why can’t a priest ever marry?

Assuming the RCC invented the New Testament making the life of the Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles then why is the Bible in conflict with the dogma and the canons of the RCC? I don't get it.

The above described RCC dogmas are in contradiction with the Bible even the Catholic Translated ones:

1 Timothy 4:1-4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared,

Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:

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If the Bible was invented by the RCC then there should be nothing in the Bible but things that should conform with their dogmas and teachings, shouldn't it?

 

[Desert Snake]

The Bible doesn't really make sense without the theism.

 

[MJFlores]

The Bible doesn't really make sense without the theism.

That makes sense.

It is like saying.
The cook book doesn't really make sense without the desire to eat.
or
The movie doesn't really make sense without the entertainment.

 

[Riders]

I have seen so many post about the Lord Jesus Christ being a:

1. hologram
2. manifestation
3. invention of the Roman Empire
4. fictional
5. God in the flesh
6. Anymore which anybody want to add to this?

If the Lord Jesus Christ is an invention of the Roman Empire to create a Roman Catholic Church, using the New Testament Bible as the basis of their teachings, well I would have to say the Popes and their priests did a bad job.

If the RCC created, invented the Bible, then the Bible runs contrary to their teachings. Oh, their "Holy Week" is fast approaching, do you know what the priest would prohibit during Lent?

Every person 14 years or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and all the Fridays of Lent.

• Canon 1250: All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the entire Church.
• Canon 1251: Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
• Canon 1252: All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.
• Canon 1253: It is for the conference of bishops to determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence and to substitute in whole or in part for fast and abstinence other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.

Fasting and Abstinence - Easter / Lent - Catholic Online

And what does the Roman Catholic Church prohibit among its clergy? They can't marry.

Canonically, priests cannot marry for a number of reasons. First, priests who belong to religious orders take vows of celibacy. Second, while diocesan priests do not take vows, they do make a promise of celibacy.

Third, the Church has established impediments that block the validity of marriages attempted by those who have been ordained. Canon 1087 states: “Persons who are in holy orders invalidly attempt marriage.”

This impediment remains as long as the priest has not been dispensed from it, even if he were to attempt a civil marriage, even if he left the Church and joined a non-Catholic sect, and even if he apostatized from the Christian faith altogether. He cannot be validly married after ordination unless he receives a dispensation from the Holy See (CIC 1078 §2, 1).

Why can’t a priest ever marry?

Assuming the RCC invented the New Testament making the life of the Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles then why is the Bible in conflict with the dogma and the canons of the RCC? I don't get it.

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The above described RCC dogmas are in contradiction with the Bible even the Catholic Translated ones:

1 Timothy 4:1-4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared,

Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:

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If the Bible was invented by the RCC then there should be nothing in the Bible but things that should conform with their dogmas and teachings, shouldn't it?

It was written 2000 years ago in a different culture and different time,what do you expect, Romans and Pagans wrote it for the Jews to have a Messiah,it was written in a time in which i don't have an understanding of all the heavy legal rituals and that.

 

[74x12]

Nope.. There was no Ur until 600 BC.. Much too late for Abraham.

Do you also believe in talking snakes and men surviving in the belly of a fish for 3 days?

Wikipedia says 3800 BC

 

[74x12]

Do you also believe in talking snakes and men surviving in the belly of a fish for 3 days?

Funny you would mention Jonah. Diver survives after being scooped up in whale's mouth off South Africa

 

[MJFlores]

It was written 2000 years ago in a different culture and different time,what do you expect, Romans and Pagans wrote it for the Jews to have a Messiah,it was written in a time in which i don't have an understanding of all the heavy legal rituals and that.

Really?

The Romans were an obscure tribe around 600 BC and achieve empire status on 27 BC.

Pagan influences? Well the OT says God hates idols, so we could rule that one out too.
Pagans love carved objects - be it from stones, wood, gold or poop.

So who did it?

 

[Desert Snake]

That makes sense.

It is like saying.
The cook book doesn't really make sense without the desire to eat.
or
The movie doesn't really make sense without the entertainment.

Your church description didn't mention anything about believing that Jesus was just a man, not divine, is that the church's teaching?