Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

[Harel13]

BTW, neither Hannukah nor Purim is mentioned in the Tanakh

Purim is...

 

[Skywalker]

Purim is...

Christians celebrating Purim aren't celebrating two religions at once. That is looking too deep into things. It's a total non issue if they are celebrating two religions at once.

 

[Harel13]

Christians celebrating Purim aren't celebrating two religions at once. That is looking too deep into things. It's a total non issue if they are celebrating two religions at once.

No, it's just utterly senseless.
Purim is a celebration of Jews being saved from total annihilation by the Persian Empire. Non-Jews have no horse in that race. Same for Chanukah.
Regardless, my comment was intended for @metis.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

Yes, Jesus was misunderstood in his "First Coming"*, I agree.

The "Second Coming" of innocent Jesus s/o Mary, I understand, is therefore afforded by God-the-Father/Allah/Jehovah to the Messiah so that he could save the world in the "End of Times"** from the trance of a faked vision of (sinful) Paul*** and its aftermath, by which Paul (the wolf in sheep's clothing*** ) derailed "the sheep" from the ways , path and the of truthful teachings of the "Shepherd" some 2000 years ago with the result Pauline-Christianity has become the breeding ground of (Western) Atheism. "Second Coming" is to reclaim them back into the folds of the truthful Religion by reasonable arguments, please. Kindly correct me if I am wrong, please. Right?

Regards

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*"The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity "- (1986—electronic edition 2000) (by) Thomas Sheehan.
"Introduction: How Christianity Came Into Crisis"

"Today at the dawn of her third millennium, the Christian church is undergoing a theological crisis in what she thinks and believes about Jesus of Nazareth.
The crisis grows out of a fact now freely admitted by both Protestant and Catholic theologians and exegetes: that as far as can be discerned from the available historical data, Jesus of Nazareth did not think he was divine, did not assert any of the messianic claims that the New Testament attributes to him, and went to his death without intending to found a new religion called "Christianity." That is, the theological crisis has to do with the prima facie discrepancy between what Jesus of Nazareth apparently thought he was (a special but very human prophet) and what mainline Christian believers now take him to be (the divine Son of God, consubstantial with the Father and the Holy Spirit).
[1] The apparent difference between the "Jesus of history" and the "Christ of faith" is not a new problem in Christianity. Since the last century liberal Protestant scholars like Adolf von Harnack and agnostics like Ernest Renan have tried to strip away what they thought were 6 the church's divinizing embellishments of Jesus of Nazareth so as to arrive at the "real" (that is, the human) prophet of Nazareth."
https://religiousstudies.stanford.e..._sheehan_the_first_coming_how_the_kingdom.pdf
Search terms:<Jesus was misunderstood in his "First Coming">

**The end time (also called end times, end of time, end of days, last days, final days, doomsday, or eschaton) is a future described variously in the eschatologies of several world religions (both Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic), which teach that world events will reach a climax.
End time

***Pauline Christianity or Pauline theology (also Paulism or Paulanity),[2] otherwise referred to as Gentile Christianity, is the theology and form of Christianity which developed from the beliefs and doctrines espoused by the Hellenistic-Jewish Apostle Paul through his writings and those New Testament writings traditionally attributed to him. Paul's beliefs were rooted in the earliest Jewish Christianity, but deviated from this Jewish Christianity in their emphasis on inclusion of the Gentiles into God's New Covenant, and his rejection of circumcision as an unnecessary token of upholding the Law.
Pauline Christianity - Wikipedia
Matthew 7:15
*** “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. "

 

[metis]

Purim is...

Not the observance/celebration itself, versus Pesach for example.

 

[Harel13]

Not the observance/celebration itself, versus Pesach for example.

Have you ever read Esther? The whole holiday is described right there, near the end.

 

[metis]

Have you ever read Esther? The whole holiday is described right there, near the end.

Yes, but the holiday itself, and what is to be done in it, is not mentioned, only the events that were later commemorated as a holiday. The Scroll of Esther covers it but that's not in the Tanakh.

And, yes, I've celebrated Purim many times.[20+]

 

[Harel13]

Yes, but the holiday itself, and what is to be done in it, is not mentioned, only the events that were later commemorated as a holiday. The Scroll of Esther covers it but that's not in the Tanakh.

And, yes, I've celebrated Purim many times.[20+]

Esther 9:20-32:

"Mordecai recorded these events. And he sent dispatches to all the Jews throughout the provinces of King Ahasuerus, near and far, charging them to observe the fourteenth and fifteenth days of Adar, every year— the same days on which the Jews enjoyed relief from their foes and the same month which had been transformed for them from one of grief and mourning to one of festive joy. They were to observe them as days of feasting and merrymaking, and as an occasion for sending gifts to one another and presents to the poor. The Jews accordingly assumed as an obligation that which they had begun to practice and which Mordecai prescribed for them. For Haman son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the foe of all the Jews, had plotted to destroy the Jews, and had cast pur—that is, the lot—with intent to crush and exterminate them. But when [Esther] came before the king, he commanded: “With the promulgation of this decree, let the evil plot, which he devised against the Jews, recoil on his own head!” So they impaled him and his sons on the stake. For that reason these days were named Purim, after pur. In view, then, of all the instructions in the said letter and of what they had experienced in that matter and what had befallen them, the Jews undertook and irrevocably obligated themselves and their descendants, and all who might join them, to observe these two days in the manner prescribed and at the proper time each year. Consequently, these days are recalled and observed in every generation: by every family, every province, and every city. And these days of Purim shall never cease among the Jews, and the memory of them shall never perish among their descendants. Then Queen Esther daughter of Abihail wrote a second letter of Purim for the purpose of confirming with full authority the aforementioned one of Mordecai the Jew. Dispatches were sent to all the Jews in the hundred and twenty-seven provinces of the realm of Ahasuerus with an ordinance of “equity and honesty: ”These days of Purim shall be observed at their proper time, as Mordecai the Jew—and now Queen Esther—has obligated them to do, and just as they have assumed for themselves and their descendants the obligation of the fasts with their lamentations. And Esther’s ordinance validating these observances of Purim was recorded in a scroll."​

This ^ is exactly Purim. I don't know what else you think is missing.

 

[metis]

Esther 9:20-32:

"Mordecai recorded these events. And he sent dispatches to all the Jews throughout the provinces of King Ahasuerus, near and far, charging them to observe the fourteenth and fifteenth days of Adar, every year— the same days on which the Jews enjoyed relief from their foes and the same month which had been transformed for them from one of grief and mourning to one of festive joy. They were to observe them as days of feasting and merrymaking, and as an occasion for sending gifts to one another and presents to the poor. The Jews accordingly assumed as an obligation that which they had begun to practice and which Mordecai prescribed for them. For Haman son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the foe of all the Jews, had plotted to destroy the Jews, and had cast pur—that is, the lot—with intent to crush and exterminate them. But when [Esther] came before the king, he commanded: “With the promulgation of this decree, let the evil plot, which he devised against the Jews, recoil on his own head!” So they impaled him and his sons on the stake. For that reason these days were named Purim, after pur. In view, then, of all the instructions in the said letter and of what they had experienced in that matter and what had befallen them, the Jews undertook and irrevocably obligated themselves and their descendants, and all who might join them, to observe these two days in the manner prescribed and at the proper time each year. Consequently, these days are recalled and observed in every generation: by every family, every province, and every city. And these days of Purim shall never cease among the Jews, and the memory of them shall never perish among their descendants. Then Queen Esther daughter of Abihail wrote a second letter of Purim for the purpose of confirming with full authority the aforementioned one of Mordecai the Jew. Dispatches were sent to all the Jews in the hundred and twenty-seven provinces of the realm of Ahasuerus with an ordinance of “equity and honesty: ”These days of Purim shall be observed at their proper time, as Mordecai the Jew—and now Queen Esther—has obligated them to do, and just as they have assumed for themselves and their descendants the obligation of the fasts with their lamentations. And Esther’s ordinance validating these observances of Purim was recorded in a scroll."​

This ^ is exactly Purim. I don't know what else you think is missing.

Oops, you're right-- I'm wrong. Can I contribute this to being too old-- er. I mean mature?

 

[Harel13]

Oops, you're right-- I'm wrong. Can I contribute this to being too old-- er. I mean mature?

Sure if you want. But we all make mistakes, even us young'uns...

 

[metis]

But we all make mistakes, even us young'uns...

Can I call you "immature" then?

 

[Harel13]

Can I call you "immature" then?

More "premature", I think.