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Featured Jesus - Son of Adam?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    Today, it is not that difficult to get an understanding of the language the scriptures are written in. If you want a good interlinear, you just have to find good Bible students.
     
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    i think that bible is multi spiritual level teaching book, but it structured in a way of evolution of consciousness which outlined in 1Cor 13. From looking like through dark dim glass to perfect understanding though knowledge ( Gnosis).
     
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    Jesus - Son of Adam?

    Yes, Jesus was son of Mary from the progeny of Adam. Jesus was not god or son of god in literal and physical terms.

    And it demonstrates Paul's-Pagan-Christianity wrong. Right, please?

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    [6:101]وَ جَعَلُوۡا لِلّٰہِ شُرَکَآءَ الۡجِنَّ وَ خَلَقَہُمۡ وَ خَرَقُوۡا لَہٗ بَنِیۡنَ وَ بَنٰتٍۭ بِغَیۡرِ عِلۡمٍ ؕ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ وَ تَعٰلٰی عَمَّا یَصِفُوۡنَ ﴿۱۰۱﴾٪
    And they hold the Jinn to be partners with Allah, although He created them; and they falsely ascribe to Him sons and daughters without any knowledge. Holy is He and exalted far above what they attribute to Him!
    [6:102]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اَنّٰی یَکُوۡنُ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ وَّ لَمۡ تَکُنۡ لَّہٗ صَاحِبَۃٌ ؕ وَ خَلَقَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ۚ وَ ہُوَ بِکُلِّ شَیۡءٍ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۰۲﴾
    The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
    [6:103]ذٰلِکُمُ اللّٰہُ رَبُّکُمۡ ۚ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَ ۚ خَالِقُ کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ فَاعۡبُدُوۡہُ ۚ وَ ہُوَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ وَّکِیۡلٌ ﴿۱۰۳﴾
    Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God but He, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Guardian over everything.
    The Holy Quran - Chapter: 6: Al-An`am

     
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    Do you have a source for this? I did not see it in either of Nachmanides commentaries on the two verses it's mentioned.
     
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    In our method of numbering it is correct to call Christ the second adam. But God is not interested in our method. He is calling Christ the Last Adam because, as you say, there will never be another representing the human race. If we call Him the second adam, we imply that there will be more. And God is being clear that there won't be.

    If you want to use the term 'second' then you rightfully use it on Christ Who is the 'Second Man'. Now explain that math to me. Because Christ was not the second man in the normal method of counting. Cain was. So, how is Christ the Second Man? It has nothing to do with Him being the Last Adam. That is already established.

    I do hold to the Trinity, God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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    Jesus was the son of Joseph or some other human guy that Mary had it off with before she married. Adam, if he had existed, would have been long dead.
     
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    So true...

    I think that when God clothed Adam and Eve with skins (the first atonement sacrifice after the promise of the Messiah) - it was a lamb. IMV, that is what Adam used to teach his children the need of forgiveness from God and the pointing towards Him who was to come.
     
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    He was the adopted dad...
     
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    You have no evidence to substantiate that statement.
     
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    The same way He created animals out of nothing.

    The Arch-Angel Gabriel understood this when he said
    Luke 1:37 [Full Chapter]
    "For with God nothing shall be impossible."
     
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    I accept the statement of Mary as true when she asked Gabriel, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"
     
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    There is no evidence any god exists. The Bible is a very human creation, the writers stretches their imaginations to the limit, imo.
     
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    In your beliefs, is it a man, on a cross, or a god?
     
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    Yeh right!:D
     
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    Yes, Paul admits to the two positions when he said, "18 For people who are stumbling toward ruin, the message of the cross is nothing but a tall tale for fools by a fool. But for those of us who are already experiencing the reality of being rescued and made right, it is nothing short of God’s power."

    There is room for both viewpoints.
     
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    As The Word, he was 100% God. On the cross he was 100% man.
     
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    Ok, besides the sacrifice aspect, which I don't believe necessitates the 'all human' idea, when did He start being human, before the crucifixion?
     
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    When Mary received the spoken word of God through Gabriel.
     
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