Jesus says, I Am He

[YoursTrue]

Jesus came to reveal his father who nobody had seen or talked to ever before according to Jesus, the things he taught about his father show that the god who was killing kids and pregnant women, getting the Israelites to commit ethnic cleansing and was threatened death to any who didn’t worship him was not his father. People are worshipping the wrong god, the most high father of Jesus is not Yahweh/jehovah.

Is there a god or entity that you think should be worshiped? I was thinking about your post, and would like to respond to other aspects of it, but before I do, is there a god that you think should a worshiped?

 

[YoursTrue]

There is nothing by the apostles insisting on a literal millennial reign, so the early Church fathers warned that it might not be a literal reference but a figurative one based on the fact that Jesus began his reign when he formed the Church itself, thus mentioning that his Kingdom had started with its creation.

It is written that twisted teachings would abound after the deaths of the apostles. Further, look at Jesus' teachings. Matthew 24 and 25. If you think that somehow it is ok, was ok, to torture people physically as in the Inquisition, or ripping them asunder in other parts of the world, that's your idea. I don't agree.

 

[wellwisher]

Jesus came to reveal his father who nobody had seen or talked to ever before according to Jesus, the things he taught about his father show that the god who was killing kids and pregnant women, getting the Israelites to commit ethnic cleansing and was threatened death to any who didn’t worship him was not his father. People are worshipping the wrong god, the most high father of Jesus is not Yahweh/jehovah.

God created the heavens and earth in six days and rested on the seventh day or Sabbath. The question become how long did God rest? If God rested on the 7th day and the 7th day was the Sabbath day, the tradition says is he is not supposed to work on the Sabbath. He needs to prepare in advance. If he still needs to do work, he needs to have others do work for him. Who was doing God's work while he rested, and how long was he resting such that history was shaped by his workers?

The answer appears to be that Satan was placed in charge of the earth and humans as God rested. Adam and Eve, choose Satan's tree of knowledge of good and evil. This tree was part of God's day six preparation of his Sabbath rest. It led to Satan being placed in charge of humans, as God rested; Satan became the Lord of the Earth. God was like the chairman of the Board, who sets policy, but without any active role. Satan became his CEO and COO, who did the work in his own style as God rested.

Satan, like knowledge of good and evil, was both good and evil. He could do good things and evil things since knowledge of good and evil allows one to know how to do both. Law teaches you how to do evil, as well as good ,so you can distinguish between these.

Satan is not thrown from heaven until Revelations, which was written decades after the death of Jesus. Satan was condoned in heaven; considered a divine influence, from the fall from paradise through after the time of Jesus. Satan was God's CEO in charge of the Earth and its inhabitants. When Satan is thrown from heaven, he loses his CEO job; no longer condoned heaven, and Jesus takes over as the new CEO. This period of God's rest, when Satan becomes the middleman, is why Jesus said nobody has seen the Father. Everyone thought Satan was God due to the power he was given as God's CEO, as God rested in paradise.

During the temptation of Jesus, by Satan, Satan , among other things, offers Jesus all the wealth and kingdoms of the world if he would bow and serve him. Jesus does not say Satan is a liar or he did not have this authority on earth. Rather, Jesus does not accept the offer. Had he accepted it, he would have become the Messiah that was anticipated by the Jews; rich, powerful and able to conquer all enemies of Israel. Instead, by refusing the offer and staying humble, he would become something better, the future CEO. After the resurrection of Jesus, there is unrest in heaven. Satan recruits allies, but he is thrown from heaven. The Lamb of God; humble man who was sacrificed, assumes his position of power. Jesus becomes the new CEO, as God continues his sabbath rest.

Toward the end of Revelations, God caliber creation begins again, as a heavenly Jerusalem descends from heaven. This is not easily explainable by science like floods and plagues. God's rest is finally over; this will be day 8. Jesus is then installed on earth a CEO who lives among the earthlings. After 1000 years, another God caliber creation begins where a new heaven and earth is formed; day 9. Before these events, there is no God caliber creation, outside of Genesis, because God was on rest.

If you work under the assumption that Satan was the CEO, in the Old Testament and most of New Testament, all the moral concerns of the atheists, about God, are addressed. This was the work of Satan. The traditions, stemming from the CEO, Satan, added confusion for centuries. These ideas came to me as a creative impulse several years ago. They continue to fine tune.

 

[metis]

It is written that twisted teachings would abound after the deaths of the apostles.

But what about Jesus promising he would guide his Church until the end of time? Was he lying? Why do you believe he sent the Holy Spirit? Why did he tell people to accept and follow the apostles?

And as Paul repeatedly stated, the Church was to be just "one body"-- not 30,000 of them or those who are too self-righteous to even meet with other people in communal devotion and spreading the Word. The Eucharist [aka communion] is a shared meal that Jesus mandated, but it's clear you don't do that because others aren't good enough for you.

Matthew 24 and 25. If you think that somehow it is ok, was ok, to torture people physically as in the Inquisition, or ripping them asunder in other parts of the world, that's your idea.

As a believer in non-violence as you should well know by now, why would you stoop so low as to even ask this question?

The Church was never perfect, including in Jesus' time, so are you going to condemn him and the apostles as well? And the verses you allude to were canonized by that same Church in the 4th century, thus aren't you being hypocritical by playing both sides? And since "church" is mentioned 109 times in the NT, it obviously must be a command to go due to its importance, but you ignore that as well.

So, who's violating what Jesus taught, YT?

Yes, bad things have been and sometimes still happen because people who attend or who don't attend churches are not perfect. Are you perfect?

As one of our priests used to say, "If you've come to mass to find all the hypocrites, make sure you bring a mirror with you".

 

[YoursTrue]

But what about Jesus promising he would guide his Church until the end of time? Was he lying? Why do you believe he sent the Holy Spirit? Why did he tell people to accept and follow the apostles?

And as Paul repeatedly stated, the Church was to be just "one body"-- not 30,000 of them or those who are too self-righteous to even meet with other people in communal devotion and spreading the Word. The Eucharist [aka communion] is a shared meal that Jesus mandated, but it's clear you don't do that because others aren't good enough for you.

As a believer in non-violence as you should well know by now, why would you stoop so low as to even ask this question?

The Church was never perfect, including in Jesus' time, so are you going to condemn him and the apostles as well? And the verses you allude to were canonized by that same Church in the 4th century, thus aren't you being hypocritical by playing both sides? And since "church" is mentioned 109 times in the NT, it obviously must be a command to go due to its importance, but you ignore that as well.

So, who's violating what Jesus taught, YT?

Yes, bad things have been and sometimes still happen because people who attend or who don't attend churches are not perfect. Are you perfect?

As one of our priests used to say, "If you've come to mass to find all the hypocrites, make sure you bring a mirror with you".

But what about Jesus promising he would guide his Church until the end of time? Was he lying? Why do you believe he sent the Holy Spirit? Why did he tell people to accept and follow the apostles?

And as Paul repeatedly stated, the Church was to be just "one body"-- not 30,000 of them or those who are too self-righteous to even meet with other people in communal devotion and spreading the Word. The Eucharist [aka communion] is a shared meal that Jesus mandated, but it's clear you don't do that because others aren't good enough for you.

As a believer in non-violence as you should well know by now, why would you stoop so low as to even ask this question?

The Church was never perfect, including in Jesus' time, so are you going to condemn him and the apostles as well? And the verses you allude to were canonized by that same Church in the 4th century, thus aren't you being hypocritical by playing both sides? And since "church" is mentioned 109 times in the NT, it obviously must be a command to go due to its importance, but you ignore that as well.

So, who's violating what Jesus taught, YT?

Yes, bad things have been and sometimes still happen because people who attend or who don't attend churches are not perfect. Are you perfect?

As one of our priests used to say, "If you've come to mass to find all the hypocrites, make sure you bring a mirror with you".

Not all would be in his church. Doesn't matter what they call themselves, speak in tongues, wear a cross, or bow down before a cross, what matters only is what God thinks. (And says.)

 

[YoursTrue]

God created the heavens and earth in six days and rested on the seventh day or Sabbath. The question become how long did God rest? If God rested on the 7th day and the 7th day was the Sabbath day, the tradition says is he is not supposed to work on the Sabbath. He needs to prepare in advance. If he still needs to do work, he needs to have others do work for him. Who was doing God's work while he rested, and how long was he resting such that history was shaped by his workers?

The answer appears to be that Satan was placed in charge of the earth and humans as God rested. Adam and Eve, choose Satan's tree of knowledge of good and evil. This tree was part of God's day six preparation of his Sabbath rest. It led to Satan being placed in charge of humans, as God rested; Satan became the Lord of the Earth. God was like the chairman of the Board, who sets policy, but without any active role. Satan became his CEO and COO, who did the work in his own style as God rested.

Satan, like knowledge of good and evil, was both good and evil. He could do good things and evil things since knowledge of good and evil allows one to know how to do both. Law teaches you how to do evil, as well as good ,so you can distinguish between these.

Satan is not thrown from heaven until Revelations, which was written decades after the death of Jesus. Satan was condoned in heaven; considered a divine influence, from the fall from paradise through after the time of Jesus. Satan was God's CEO in charge of the Earth and its inhabitants. When Satan is thrown from heaven, he loses his CEO job; no longer condoned heaven, and Jesus takes over as the new CEO. This period of God's rest, when Satan becomes the middleman, is why Jesus said nobody has seen the Father. Everyone thought Satan was God due to the power he was given as God's CEO, as God rested in paradise.

During the temptation of Jesus, by Satan, Satan , among other things, offers Jesus all the wealth and kingdoms of the world if he would bow and serve him. Jesus does not say Satan is a liar or he did not have this authority on earth. Rather, Jesus does not accept the offer. Had he accepted it, he would have become the Messiah that was anticipated by the Jews; rich, powerful and able to conquer all enemies of Israel. Instead, by refusing the offer and staying humble, he would become something better, the future CEO. After the resurrection of Jesus, there is unrest in heaven. Satan recruits allies, but he is thrown from heaven. The Lamb of God; humble man who was sacrificed, assumes his position of power. Jesus becomes the new CEO, as God continues his sabbath rest.

Toward the end of Revelations, God caliber creation begins again, as a heavenly Jerusalem descends from heaven. This is not easily explainable by science like floods and plagues. God's rest is finally over; this will be day 8. Jesus is then installed on earth a CEO who lives among the earthlings. After 1000 years, another God caliber creation begins where a new heaven and earth is formed; day 9. Before these events, there is no God caliber creation, outside of Genesis, because God was on rest.

If you work under the assumption that Satan was the CEO, in the Old Testament and most of New Testament, all the moral concerns of the atheists, about God, are addressed. This was the work of Satan. The traditions, stemming from the CEO, Satan, added confusion for centuries. These ideas came to me as a creative impulse several years ago. They continue to fine tune.

Interesting.

 

[wellwisher]

But what about Jesus promising he would guide his Church until the end of time? Was he lying? Why do you believe he sent the Holy Spirit? Why did he tell people to accept and follow the apostles?

And as Paul repeatedly stated, the Church was to be just "one body"-- not 30,000 of them or those who are too self-righteous to even meet with other people in communal devotion and spreading the Word. The Eucharist [aka communion] is a shared meal that Jesus mandated, but it's clear you don't do that because others aren't good enough for you.

A good analogy for the church is the human body. Our body is composed of billions of cells; individuals, which form various organs, which all together become one body. All our cells have the same DNA.

The body that Jesus referred to compose of individuals of the same faith; DNA analogy, working on the same basic goals. However, like the organs of the body, they all have different functions, which when all combined, allow the entire body to function properly.

If we were all clones, like a hive of bees, or colony of ants, there would be no need for the spirit. The spirit was needed to help coordinate billions of cells with wills, and dozens of organs with politics, so they can all coordinate and evolve as one body.

In Revelations, there were seven Churches with warnings and praises for each. Their core beliefs were the same, so they were all recognized by the Spirit. But each had their own unique ways. This was due in part to distances and to politics. The Church at Philadelphia had the most praise; optimized organ.

In the bible, there is a contrast between the children of the bond woman and the children of the promise. The children of the bond women are like slaves or servants who must follow the law. The children of the promise, were like children of God, and they had more freedom because of their faith.

Your attitude appears to suggest you are pissed at the children of the bondwomen who live by laws and are often pretentious and hypocrites. The solution is look for the children of the promise, they are not under law. They live by faith, even if when the sprit requires that they break the law, in order to fix it.

 

[metis]

Not all would be in his church.

Correct, but there is a Church Jesus created, which is covered quite well in Acts.

 

[YoursTrue]

Correct, but there is a Church Jesus created, which is covered quite well in Acts.

There were instructions and guidelines. Furthermore, John gave warnings from Jesus for the various churches in Revelation.

 

[metis]

There were instructions and guidelines. Furthermore, John gave warnings from Jesus for the various churches in Revelation.

Yes, but that doesn't go against what I posted.

Also, please note that those "various churches" were under the direction and teachings from the Apostles and their appointees.

 

[YoursTrue]

Correct, but there is a Church Jesus created, which is covered quite well in Acts.

John got further insight on that some years later, after those churches were formed. When Moses came down from the mountain meeting with God, the israelites were worshipping a golden calf. And if you look in the book of Numbers, many individuals, although with the large group in the wilderness, were put to death by God.

Yes, but that doesn't go against what I posted.

It depends. It may not go against your interpretation of what is meant. We are free to choose and decide.

Also, please note that those "various churches" were under the direction and teachings from the Apostles and their appointees.

There was a warning or a prophecy regarding that, do you remember? As I said and as God inclines, we are free to decide.

 

[metis]

John got further insight on that some years later, after those churches were formed. When Moses came down from the mountain meeting with God, the israelites were worshipping a golden calf. And if you look in the book of Numbers, many individuals, although with the large group in the wilderness, were put to death by God.

It depends. It may not go against your interpretation of what is meant. We are free to choose and decide.

There was a warning or a prophecy regarding that, do you remember? As I said and as God inclines, we are free to decide.

None of the above directly relates to what I had posted, so there's no where for me to go with this.

 

[YoursTrue]

None of the above directly relates to what I had posted, so there's no where for me to go with this.

Not all would see. The church that Jesus founded does not depend on manmade decrees.

 

[metis]

Not all would see. The church that Jesus founded does not depend on manmade decrees.

That's clearly not true as Jesus gave the Apostles the powers of binding & loosening, plus stating that they had to power to make decisions, which they clearly did. Without their decisions, the Church would have come to an end, and that also means there would have meant there would be no Bible. The fact that you cite scripture at times goes to show that you simply do not understand what Jesus did and taught in these regards.

IOW, no human leadership = no Church.

 

[YoursTrue]

That's clearly not true as Jesus gave the Apostles the powers of binding & loosening, plus stating that they had to power to make decisions, which they clearly did. Without their decisions, the Church would have come to an end, and that also means there would have meant there would be no Bible. The fact that you cite scripture at times goes to show that you simply do not understand what Jesus did and taught in these regards.

IOW, no human leadership = no Church.

What you say can obviously be taken in different ways. Jesus is the truth.

 

[YoursTrue]

That's clearly not true as Jesus gave the Apostles the powers of binding & loosening, plus stating that they had to power to make decisions, which they clearly did. Without their decisions, the Church would have come to an end, and that also means there would have meant there would be no Bible. The fact that you cite scripture at times goes to show that you simply do not understand what Jesus did and taught in these regards.

IOW, no human leadership = no Church.

See--here's what this says:
"And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." (Revelation 7:10) An interesting scripture, to say the least. Salvation belongs to our God -- another interesting point -- OUR God -- AND, of course, to-the-LAMB. So, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

 

[natasha levchenko]

So to say that God was his Father would make him equal? I will say it was a broad statement, because to be the Son of God is a very sacred position.

That’s for sure!

 

[pearl]

Jesus said to them: Who are you looking for? They answered him, Jesus the Nazarene. Jesus said to them: I Am He. Now when he said to them, I Am He, they drew back and fell to the ground. Then he asked them again, Who are you looking for? But they said: Jesus the Nazarene. Jesus answered: I told you that I Am He.

[18:5] Nazorean: the form found in Mt 26:7 is here used, not Nazarene of Mark. I AM: or “I am he,” but probably intended by the evangelist as an expression of divinity (cf. their appropriate response in Jn18:6. John sets the confusion of the arresting party against the background of Jesus’ divine majesty.

 

[rational experiences]

He him his man male son father are human quotes.
Humans men invented science theories.

And named all things.

Yet all things owned no name.

All things were existing naturally formed.

Men pretended they spoke on behalf of anything and everything not human.

Then cause effect demonstrated...demon strata that you don't own anything but one human life and it destroyed him.

Still today egotistical ignorant arrogant and lying uses the same human pretence.

Never learns by self status man's egotism.

 

[cataway]

I don't think so. The belief wasn't "quantified" or "made into a statement of belief" until later to prevent heresy, but it was written down by the very books we read from



There are two problems that you have presented here.

1) The Jews understood what he said in John 5. You can't erase what they understood in John 5. They explicitly said what they understood in John 5
2) You then "jumped" to John 10 as if it was connected when it was a different context and application. Here Jesus was talking about authority to do miracles, not who he was. As an all wisdom master in debate he moved the issue from "I and the Father are one" - to authority to do miracles.



As if they would believe differently? He already said who He was the first time. He isn't out to please us or isn't under the dictates of what "we" want him to say.

Angel: "Call him Imanuel, God with us"... seems like they had a different understanding

Exodus 3, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me ‘What is His name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” God replies to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.'” God has said that His own name, His personal name, is “I AM.”

John 8:56-58. “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing My day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet 50 years old,” they said to Him, “and you have seen Abraham?” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus announced, “before Abraham was, I AM!” and then they wanted to stone him. The reason is quite clear

Why is it wrong to say "I am the Son of God?"



That, Deeje, is your interpretation and with great liberty. Not to mention what The Word was made flesh He no longer had the God attributes as Paul said.

Your interpretation is wrong for a very simple reason. If he glorified the Father by doing what His Father sent him to do, He would have said, "Now glorify me now for what I have accomplished", but He didn't say that. He said "glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." Which means He shared the glory of position BEFORE He accomplished what He did on earth.



Titles are names and names are Titles. Spirit beings may be glorious but they don't "share" God's glory. And the interpretation is correct -- a good translation. I have the title of Dad, husband, father, brother... these are names given to me because of who I am.



Unfortunately, we can't just take one scripture and make a doctrine out of it.

1. In Hebrews it was written that Jesus was not an angel
2. Being in the form of God is not equality with God. Man was formed in His image and in His likeness.... but we weren't equal to God
3. We are to judge angels and not visa versa

it seems you have a problem with what I AM means . of my self i can say i am because i am real and i can prove it . the same thing also applies to all others that are real and can also prove it . so i ask ,did the most high God prove he is real ? he did !