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Featured Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Jun 2, 2018.

  1. Desert Snake

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    It is used for JHVH. If you are saying that it could refer to someone else, then you are saying that it's usage in the Old Testament, is vague.

    I personally do not believe that it is intended to be vague, hence in the Christian bible, JHVH, Jehovah is specific to set of name variants, that unless you can prove otherwise, 'Yahweh', transferred into the Christian Bible, isn't one of them.
    You could use 'Yahweh', if you also are basically saying that other names used for JHVH, don't necessarily mean Jehovah, then you are de facto claiming that the Jewish /Judaism usage of the names, is wrong.

    This is why if you say, that Adonay, is also used for Jesus, then the Judaism usage is wrong.

    You are simply complicating cross language methodology, but if you want to do that, that is your prerogative.
     
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    No. Thats like my father ceasing to be my father because he doesnt have a name. Are you still you even without your birth certificate? Or are you still you regardless of what people call you?

    I mean, my last name is a family name. It defines me as part of a huge family. On the other hand, the name itself isnt holding us together. Its our relationship that does.

    I would find it odd that you would define god by a name unless thats the only way you can relate to him? Most people here (US American) ask you your name for politeness. Last names are for business and first names are friends, family, and those we trust. Yet, a lot of us know that you can say our name and still dont Know us.

    In Deaf culture, especially if youre part of it, you can get an idea of the person based on the type of name-sign they use and how they got it. Not so for hearing Americans. We're multigrained that to say Smith is a family name is very very broad.

    There is a lot more to a name.

    So calling the creator Yahweh, YHWH, God, father, logos, whatever (to me) its not as important as my relationship with him as a creator, privider, savior, and friend. The latter terms tells about the person. The former are labels that mean something to that given culture people Not just anyone who wishes to play around with continents.

    When I used to hang around the Deaf community, I had a name sign. Although I had a name people can refer to me, the connection was far more than that. Like Yahweh,certain names are specific to the culture in which that language was and is spoken. I wasnt a part of their culture.

    So, people knew me by traits and how I related to the Deaf community. Its the same with god. Can you imagine him saying he didnt know you because you spelled his name wrong or use it incorrectly?
     
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    What does spelling or even pronouncing a name differently ( each language has its own pronunciation ) matter.
     
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  4. Desert Snake

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    If you're reading the Bible with the specific names, it might matter because of how you are interpreting the text, religiously.

    So, cross language wise, it can matter, because of how you're reading the text.
    The issue here is that the Bible is in more than one language, basically.
    So, yes, you can use 'Yahweh', but then you should really know when to use that name, imo.
     
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    That's the trouble........ as soon as the story of Yeshua BarYosef was changed into other languages, the adjustments and deceptions began.
    They even called Yeshua JESUS somewhere around the 16th century.
    Do you honestly think that Yeshua ever heard the name JESUS?
    His true person, mission, loves, etc are long lost to you.

    ...not just me....... Christianity has reversed itself into other cultures and religions wherever it needed to.
    Where I live the oldest churches and chapels here are sited on pagan meeting places.
    Every feast and holy day that you have is based upon past pagan traditions and religions.


    And to push the Trinity, which is what I presume you are doing, is going to be a tough job in a thread on a forum where opposing debaters don't get excluded...... :shrug:
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I don't think anybody wrote about Yeshua BarYosef in Psalms, although such verses may have been attributed to him later on.. Yeshua was a peasant of the second order, initially a handworker in bone, stone, wood and maybe in metal, working along the Capernaum shoreline, I expect. He wasn't a Lord.
     
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    Me? Different type of religion. It's a contextual argument, anyway.
     
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    So you weren't listening properly; will try this again and with more detail:

    H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah
    H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To physically see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

    Moses, then David, and then Isaiah prophesied that the Lord (YHVH) would become our salvation, and this would be physically seen globally.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Yahweh is a north Arabian rain god who was worshiped by the Semitic tribes who lived near the Gulf of Aqaba. The worship of this god is believed to have originated with the Midianite, Hebrew, Moabite and Edomite tribes of southern Jordan and Palestine. To the Hebrew tribes of ancient Palestine, their deity Yahweh was a major tribal god and his cult became the religion of Judaism although his worship was common to many Semitic peoples. His sacred animal was the dove and to the Midianite and Edomite tribes, he considered to be the husband of the fertility goddess Ashira. The god was also known as Ea to the Babylonians, Yahu to the Aramaeans and Yah to the Egyptians.
     
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    That's orthodox catholic thought. No fallen angels (per Christ). If angels fell from heaven, how better will heaven be for you and me. Jesus clearly says Moses (who wrote Genesis) did not get his knowledge from heaven. (John 6:32).

    The Holy Spirit told us to listen to Christ, not Moses. Luke 9:30-36 Matthew 17:1-9
     
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    If you don't believe that His name is Jesus, you should probably stop calling Him Jesus.
     
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    And this refutes the 'trinity'.... ?
     
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    I don't........... he was Yeshua BarYosef, or very close to that..........
     
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    I do acknowledge your belief about this.
    But I don't believe that Yeshua BarYosef was this entity, don't believe that he was physically seen globally, don't believe that he was, would be or is our salvation.

    It seems to me that he was initially a Galilean land-displaced peasant working along the Capernaum shoreline as a wood, bone, stone worker but that his abilities in various kinds of healing gave him the opportunity to lead a mission for the return of the old laws, discarded and ignored by a fat, greedy, corrupt, quisling, hellenised hypocritical priesthood.

    But if you are right, that could cause me some difficulties later on..... :)
     
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    Monarchy is one where all below derive. The son needs the Father, not the Father needs the son. Same with the Spirit.

    The Monad is one, not three. Jesus claimed his Father was greater. The Spirit only speaks what it hears (of the Father).

    Nothing is equal to the Father, as all exists within him and because of him. He is before the beginning, therefore before the son and the Spirit.

    It's a choice of belief. Moses or Spirit (that spoke through Jesus as Christ).
     
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    This is just your conjecture, that could be argued either way.
    In other words, you don't believe Jesus to pre-exist incarnation, but would rather speculate that it is some form of shamanic trance, the only thing that makes sense to what you wrote.

    That is problematic, in so many ways, one being that no wonder you can't use the accepted Scripture, because then your theology would be bizarre, at best.
     
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    Actually, you don't really know. Yeshua could be a variation of another name, for all you know, with a similar, or double meaning.
     
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    He said, for it is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10 and Luke 4:8
     
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    Nice.

    The last part, is there a trinity in your experience?
     
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    So is Yeshua known globally, as jesus, and has the Gospel gone to all nations?

    If you're thinking we're meaning Yeshua is salvation because his murder brought atonement, please note our rejection of John, Paul, and Simon is because they all teach Balaam teachings, that God required his murder for this reason.

    Yeshua taught through his knowledge is how we'd gain salvation, and those who follow this until the end are the ones saved; in other words those wise enough not to fall for all the Pharisaic lies will be in the Messianic Age.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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