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Featured Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Jun 2, 2018.

  1. Phantasman

    Phantasman Well-Known Member

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    The Spirit that "names" God wasn't given until the son gave it. He had it within him first, then gave it to man.

    John:
    (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    Jesus glorified the name of the Father by being glorified himself. THEN the Father gave the Spirit (of truth). The Jews never had it, nor does it appear in their teachings of books.

    The name is not a word, but a Word. (capital W). Gospel/knowledge.
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Any thoughts about Jesus' words at John 4:23-24 to worship the Father_____
    Only the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) applies to the Father.
    KJV at Psalms 110 mentions two (2) LORD/Lord's:
    * The LORD in all Upper-Case letters stands for the LORD God where the Tetragrammaton stands.
    * The Lord in some lower-case letters stands for the Lord Jesus and the Tetragrammaton is Not used.
     
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  3. URAVIP2ME

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    .... and as I find at John 17:6 that Jesus manifested God's name....
    .... and at John 17:26 Jesus said he declared God's name, and will declare it........
     
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  4. Desert Snake

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    Different persons, same God.
    Father, Son

    'Yahweh' isn't a rendition of Jehovah. Jehovah denotes the concept that the name, has vowels, however you can't just use some other name, for Jehovah.
     
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    What verse is that?

    Word means the message of salvation
    The Word (jesus) is only an incarnation of the Word/salvation

    The attention isnt on the savior himself. Its salvation from the creator. The savior is "used" to fufill the messsage of salvation. Using jesus' incarnation as if it is god is against what jesus taught.

    Salvation is the Word
    The savior is only an incarnation of it
    Jesus was the Word made flesh (speaking of the incarnation not the flesh which died on the cross)

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  6. URAVIP2ME

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    I find: Creator, Savior, Father and God are titles are Not personal names.
    Whereas, the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) stands for God's personal name.
    The English translation for God's personal name is found in the King James Bible at Psalms 83:18.
    I find as far as importance: the idea that Jesus put emphasis in his Model Prayer to pray to Our Father......
    And that 'God's name' should be hallowed, held sacred.
     
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    As far as I know, Yahweh is the Hebrew pronunciation for God's personal name as found at Psalms 83:18.
    Each language I find uses their accepted grammar pronunciation for God's name from from the Tetragrammaton.
     
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    However many scriptures quoted from the old Testament are translated in the Greek as Kuros, but in the actual Hebrew it is the Divine name the Tetragrammaton. Yod Hey Vav Hey

    A good example of this is Matthew 3:3. "the Lord" is Yehovah in the Hebrew.
    Matthew 3:3 King James Version (KJV)
    3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Isaiah 40:3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
    3 A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God.
     
  9. Desert Snake

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    Or, they meant divine nature, as is indicated by using the name God, there. We do note that the Greek, uses same Lord, title, for Father, and Son. We note that Jesus, refers to the "Father", and such, therefore, the divine natures may be assumed to be known by the reader. The Greek text in general, seems to indicate that the reader already is aware of the persons, and how they relate to each other.
     
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    Which is more important, though?

    His role as the creator (what he does as sacred)?

    Or the name he calls himself? (Which names, by their definition, is not a verb but a noun)

    Personally, regardless of what he calls himself, Id worship him because he is the creator. His role is more important than his name.

    I mean, you can call me carlita or unveiled artist; but, what matters most is not what you call me but how you relate to me and my actions (if they speak louder than words).

    Does the name define gods nature or does his role as the creator?
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    As Creator ( Revelation 4:11) then the God of the Bible ' causes to become ' - Psalms 104:30.
    So, God's role fulfills His promises. Such as God's promise to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18.
    ALL families of Earth, ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of ' healing ' for earth's nations as described at Revelation 22:2. Jesus will fulfill Gods' promise, and that is why we are all invited to pray the invitation or Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come! Come and undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.
     
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    Jehovah is the acceptable English pronunciation for God's name as it appears in the Tetragrammaton.
    Yahweh is an acceptable Hebrew pronunciation for God's name as it appears in the Tetragrammaton.
    The Hebrew uses some other name for Jesus. Jesus is the accepted English pronunciation for God's Son.
     
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    Yep. Name isn't a word, but a a description. Father is not a name. Christ is not a name, but a description. Jesus is a name, as well as John, Paul, etc.
     
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    In the Tanakh the name of that god is represented by the tetragrammaton (Greek, 'four letters'), in Roman letters YHWH. This has been rendered as 'Jehovah' and later as 'Yahweh' in (Christian) English, each pronounced much as spelt (though the J / dzh of 'Jehovah' should also be 'y'). Observant Jews avoid pronouncing it at all, and use other words such as (in English) 'the Lord'.

    In the NT Jesus is a circumcised Jew. He refers to 'the Father' and to 'my God'. He clearly means 'the god of the Jews.'

    The god of the Jews is YHWH / Jehovah / Yahweh.

    I don't see the problem.
     
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  15. Phantasman

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    Bull. Salavation is a result. Word as used in John 1 is truth. The truth existed before lies. Truth became flesh. Jesus said the devil was a liar from the beginning. Before the beginning only truth (God) existed. And he begot truth in a son. Salvation is a result of truth, which existed before a need of salvation.

    My view. See what you want.
     
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    It's very simple:
    Who was the God of the Jews? Yahweh? As a Jew, that's Who Martha worshipped, right? That's also Who Jesus worshipped. -- John 20:17. Notice, his God was his Father. Martha's , too

    Now read John 4:23-24...."the true worshippers will worship the Father."

    (I wonder who false worshippers would worship? Every other God but Him, maybe?)

    It fits Exodus 20:1-4.
     
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  17. Unveiled Artist

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    This isnt related to my question.

    The scripture quotes clutters what you are saying. You can list them above or below your post, if you like.

    God is the creator
    He has a name

    Which is more important? His name or his role?

    Why one over the other?

    Not what why they are important. I know why.

    How is one more important than the other in relation to what you have already posted 'about' it?
     
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    I have time if you want me to quote scripture for each specific sentence I type. Im not a scripture quoter, unless of course you are willing to engage.
     
  19. Phantasman

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    Fine. But if you use the OT, Hebrews or Revelations, I use the non Canon gospel books.
     
  20. Unveiled Artist

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    Your views dont need to be a defense.

    Explain why.

    Salvation is the message the creator sent
    Word is an incarnation of this message made flesh

    Quote defense scripture

    Lol please read my posts.

    Truth: salvation
    Existed before: salvation is eternal
    Truth became flesh: aka incarnation of truth/salvation (above)

    Please read my post

    He also said the devil can mask himself as an angel of light.

    Christians could be fooled.

    Salvation already existed as truth.

    You can only begot flesh not eternal truth

    Edit

    Salvation IS the truth
     
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