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Featured Jesus isn't Jewish

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Desert Snake

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    'Before Abraham, I AM'.

    ~Jesus


    If you believe that Jesus is 'Jewish', then how can that be, since either way one interprets this verse, it's 'before Abraham'.

    Discuss and debate
     
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    Jesus isn't Jewish but he was a Jew.
     
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  3. Desert Snake

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    You mean a jew who disagreed with the norms of the religion?
     
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    No. I mean that in his human incarnation he was born, raised and lived a Jew, whereas in his continuing divinity he is no more a Jew than a Muslim or a Buddhist.
     
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    So all the jews who disagreed with jesus, were wrong about their religious beliefs?
     
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    Are you going for non sequitur prize of the month?
     
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    Of course Jesus was a Jew, he had Jewish parents.
     
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    If you have Christian parents does that automatically make you a Christian?
     
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    Is not Jewishness a cultural and racial identity, as well as a religious adherence? What does it mean, for instance that Israel now calls itself a Jewish state?
     
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    You've never met a Tzaddik, have you?

    LOL! Shhh, ... there are a lot of 'em who think so. :D
     
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    • Suppose Jesus was a human being.
    • Suppose Jesus was a Jew.
    • Now, suppose Jesus was a prophet through whom his God spoke and said: Before Abraham, I AM".
    • Would you have a problem with that?
    • Debate and discuss. :)
     
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    It's a cultural identity, certainly.

    Not a meaningful racial one though. There is no "Semitic" ethnicity, at least if we are going by modern genetic studies.

    Jesus was obviously Jewish, but based on what we know about him rather than what we know about his parents (I'm being pedantic :D).
     
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    Sure, I should have put the "racial" in inverted commas. A lot "racial" categories are rather bogus, possibly my favourite being the absurd "Hispanic", beloved of US Immigration officials, which does not include Spaniards!
     
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    His mortal mother was. Therefore He is.
     
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    Not arguing Bible inerrancy, added verses, so forth, however why wouldn't Jesus say, 'before Abraham, I AM'?


    You seem to be presuming that this is somehow not relevant to who 'Jesus' is?

    The inference is unclear there
     
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    In all 3 Synoptic Gospels Yeshua warned that those who came after would use "I Am" statements, claiming he spoke that way to deceive many...

    Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them".


    Therefore the Gospel of John is made up by the Sanhedrin to mock him, he did not speak that way, claiming himself to be "I Am"; Yeshua specifically uses it about the Father/Source of reality.
    The reason Yeshua wouldn't use "I Am", is because only the Source of reality can ever be deem to be "I Am" (Self Existing); the rest of us do not even know if we exist.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    There were different groups of 'jews', with differing beliefs. So, how far do you want to go, with generalizing. If you equate Yeshua to a very general religious category, very broad, then you aren't saying much. They shared texts.
     
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    I'm amazed there is such a thing as a "Non-Hispanic White" :flushed:

    So a Spaniard gets to be a Proper, genuine, actual, can join my country club white "Non-Hispanic white" and someone with identical ethnicity who was born in Argentina gets to be a I'll let him do the gardening but I'm still locking away the silverware white "Hispanic".
     
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    I'm not going to equate my religious beliefs with some of the material in the gospels, it's questionable. This seems to be a matter of opinion. In the book of John, there are some questionable verses, also. This verse doesn't seem made up, however, if you compare to other verses in the book of John. I brought this concept up, in 'Yohanan vs the bible', discussion, however noted there, verses in the book of John also contradict, as John uses a Jewish form of talking, John 1:1-13, for example, then elsewhere uses 'g-d', in a way that doesn't match what I consider the way John to be using the deific names and titles. In other words, the methodology doesn't match.
     
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