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Featured Jesus is not God Almighty Himself

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by iam1me, Aug 19, 2018.

  1. nPeace

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    What do these scriptures say:
    Could you explain particularly John 1:1, 14; 17:5; Acts 2:33-35; Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14; Daniel 7:9-14; Psalms 2; 110:1.
    Thanks.
     
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    So you believe Jesus was 100% man. Not God-man?
    Oh. My mistake. You believe 100% man and I 00% God at the same time.
    I will wait for your explanation to the scriptures above before proceeding.

    While I await that, could you also add an answer to who received the payment of the purchase God made?
     
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  3. GODbeMERCIFULtoMEaSINNER

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    I cover this on point 2

    Why did the one true Jesus have to be 100% God and 100% man at the same time to be a saviour for sinners?
    A. In order to fulfill scripture the seed of the woman must bruise the serpents head, and the only way this could happen is if God became a man. Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
    B. Because the law was given to men and as sinners all mankind are under the curse of it, It was necessary that the Savior be a man and be placed under the law so that he might fulfill the law and provide a righteousness for those he would purchase through his blood.
    Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
    Galatians 4:4-5 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, MADE OF A WOMEN, MADE UNDER THE LAW, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."
    C. Because Christ is God and holy by nature he is separate from all that is common or unclean, he is also positively pure having a perfect love for God and man. Only the perfect God man could make the statement that "he always did those things which please the father", and only the perfect God man could challenge his hearers in asking "which one of you convinces me of sin". The Lord Jesus Christ is the only one who could have offered himself for sinners "as a lamb without blemish and without spot" to the glory of God the Father.
     
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    No. I am not asking why. I would like to discuss that based on your answers to this post.
     
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    if you don't understand it might be best for you just to pray, and ask the Lord to give you the wisdom.
    James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
    The Holy Spirit will be a far better teacher to you then I could ever be. I always encourage people to pray so that God might show them the truth.
     
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    What is it I am supposed to understand?
    I understand the scriptures don't support the trinity. Isn't that why trinitarians can only provide a whole page of scriptures in which they interpret as they like to try to fit their doctrine, but cannot comment on two or three scriptures that directly refute the false teaching?

    That seems to be a common tune of those who meet someone who can discuss scripture against their teachings.
    That says enough about the teaching - it clearly is not scriptural.

    I hope you do pray that God might show you the truth, and give you the wisdom to realize that those who teach falsehood, and know it, are making of mockery, and God is not one to be mocked.
    Galatians 6:7 . . .Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap;
     
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    I don't feel like there's anything I can do or say that will help. I don't think you understand you're depravity and this is the heart of the problem
     
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    Obviously! There is absolutely nothing you can do to help anyone. Oh wait. There is one. You help people to leave the church that can't teach them anything for their own good.
    Do you realize how many young people leave churches like yours, because you sing that tune in their ears... "I can't help you. You need to pray to God, to help you by the Holy Ghost."

    Can you imagine a young person barely in their teens is questioning a pastor about the relationship of the father and son, and the pastor cannot even use the Bible to show that person how Jesus is part of a trinity?
    Talk about depraved.
    That is similar to your false teachings.
    You can make false statements, but can't back it up with anything more than another false statement.

    Watch.
    Prove your statement that I am depraved.
     
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    Everyone of us are depraved. How many lies have you told in your entire life? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever taken God's name in vain? Have you ever looked at an individual with impure thoughts?
     
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    So wait. You are calling all of Jesus' followers - including his apostles -depraved? Do you guys reason at all.
    Once a person turn their lives around, the former sins do not count. It is what they practice after that. They are not depraved - wicked.

    If however, one deliberately tell untruths - deliberately. That is the wicked person.
    Are you admitting that you are wicked, and therefore everyone else must be like you?
    Sorry. That's not how it works.
    I don't practice those things you mentioned.
     
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    I'm still not convinced that you understand you're depriving here's a little illustration I wrote up that might help. if you don't understand who Christ is then you're still in a depraved state of condemnation.

    Your family and one of your best friends families has decided to go camping, but you forgot to bring a container for water, on your way to the campsite your friend sees a container in the ditch he stops and picks it up, it has a skull and crossbones on the outside of the container, it says poison on it, and has a little bit of poison left at the bottom of the container, so he turns it upside down and dumps the poisonous liquid out, then when you get to the campsite he goes over to an area that has pure filtered water and he fills the container up with water, would you and your family be willing to drink out of that container? Of course you wouldn't! because if the container is contaminated so is the water. God can never accept the righteousness that comes out of the human heart, no matter how good it looks outwardly. God sees that the container it came out of is defiled. No matter how many good works we try to offer to God it can never offset the aggravation of sin, the only thing that can offset the aggravation of sin is the death of Christ, at the cross justice was answered fully and God's holy and righteous demands satisfied. The third day Jesus rose from the dead and defeated death. God offers salvation to anyone that will come to him in repentance and faith.

    Isaiah 64:6 " But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

    Romans 10:3-4 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
     
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    Are you here to preach, or debate?
    RF has rules against preaching.
    If you are here to debate, you failed to respond to one of my post, so when, or if you are ready to respond to it let me know. :)
     
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    I'm not preaching anymore than you are.
     
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    Good. We agree on something then. :)
    BTW Welcome to RF.
     
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    I would encourage you to examine yourself to see if you're in the faith.
    2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
    Is this a fair thing to ask of you? I believe it is because you don't seem to understand depravity or Christ deity.
     
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    Is that your understand of these verses?
    John 1:1, 14; 17:5; Acts 2:33-35; Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14; Daniel 7:9-14; Psalms 2; 110:1.
    Or clearly, you are not ready to debate, at least not nPeace. :) That's okay. There are plenty folk on RF. Just browse around. Hope you enjoy it. :)
     
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    in what way have I not debated in peace?
     
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    No. I didn't say in peace. I said nPeace - that's me.:D
     
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    Ok i see said the blind man! :)
     
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    Bowing down to humans as an act of respect was admissible in the Jewish faith, but bowing to anyone other than Jehovah as a deity was prohibited by God. (Exodus 23:24; 34:14) Similarly, the worshipful bowing down to religious images or to any created thing was positively condemned. (Exodus 20:4, 5; Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Isaiah 2:8, 9, 20, 21) In the Hebrew Scriptures, when certain of Jehovah’s servants prostrated themselves before angels, they only did so to show they recognized that these were God’s representatives, not to render obeisance to them as deities. (Joshua 5:13-15; Genesis 18:1-3) Angels often rejected the act as inappropriate as they were just fellow servants of the same God.

    So let me ask you this one question.....do you physically bow down to God in your Christian worship? Do you see Christ recommending any kind of prostration in the worship he promoted? Was "proskyneo" just a physical act or can "worship" be rendered in one's mind and heart? There is so much emphasis placed on this word, and yet how do those who call themselves "Christians" today render their "worship"? How many physically bow down, as opposed to bowing their heads in prayer?

    The only people I know who physically prostrate themselves to their god today, are the practicers of Islam. I do not see religious Jews ever doing this as part of their daily worship, except perhaps in the extreme orthodox sects. AFAIK facing Jerusalem to pray is not an act of prostration.
     
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