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Jesus is for the Jews. He was willing to be their atoning sacrifice Isaiah 63:9

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism DIR' started by God is love, Nov 13, 2005.

  1. God is love

    God is love Active Member

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    Jesus was a Jew. He is from the tribe of Judah through the line of David. He celebrated the feasts that were present then. He lived as a Jew.
    He was willing to sacrifice His life to save theirs {spiritually} from a spiritual death, sin.

    Jesus loves the Jews.
    Isaiah 63:9
    "In all their affliction he was afflicted ... In His love and in His pity He redeemed them and He bare them ..."

    If He was willing to die to atone for their sins, the tribe of Judah and all the house of Israel as well as those who are not Jews, He wouldn't want any person to harm them. Why would He approve of anybody that would harm people He was willing to die to save. He certainly wouldn't want people who call themselves Christians to harm them or any other in His name because Christains should represent Him, His principles, His love. If they don't they shouldn't call themselves Christians.

    Some so called Christians have misinterpreted and misrepresented Him. They have treated unbelievers badley through history, Jews, the Native Americans, Indigenous people of South America, for example.

    I am a Christian and I believe that according to the word of God, hitler {he doesn't deserve a capital h} is in spirit prison {a term more relatable would be hell} and Jesus, his judge put him there. He wouldn't have approved of such atrosities.

    When He comes again He will save the Jews {physically} from being annilated.

    Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem"

    It sounds like those that are against Jerusalem are against God. God is Jesus' Father and He respected Him and wanted others to respect Him. Therefore he would be a defender of Jerusalem.

    Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of jerusalem and he that is feeble among them and that day shall be as David and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them."

    Yes! Jesus is for the Jews and any true Christian would be too.
     
  2. God is love

    God is love Active Member

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    In Matthew 15:22-28 we read

    "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts and cried unto Him saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David: my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and besought Him saying, send her away for she crieth after us. But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped Him saying, Lord, help me. But He answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread and to cast it to dogs. And she said, truth, Lord, yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master's table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith, be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

    Mark 7:26 and 28 tells the same story

    ""The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation and she besought Him that He would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled for it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it unto the dogs. And she answered and said unto Him, Yes, Lord, yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way, the devil is gone out of thy daughter. And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out."

    It is quite evident that Jesus held the Jews and the other tribes of the house of Israel in the highest regard. It was through the Jews that were His Apostles that the gospel spread to those not of the house of Israel. Now those people are trying to bring the gift of the gospel back to where it originated, the people of Israel.

    Those that are Messianic Jews have helped it come full circle. Thank God for you!
    Shalom
     
  3. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    how are the words of Galatians 3:10;3:24-25 a "coming full circle" of the Torah?:areyoucra
     
  4. sushannah

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    If Jesus was for the Jews, lived as a Jew, celebrated the Jewish festivals and observed the Torah, then why don,t Christians do the same? Aren,t Christians supposed to become Christ-like?
     
  5. michel

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  6. Deut 13:1

    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    Do you ever defend your points? Or make non-stop threads?

    http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23224

    Go here, I already addressed Zacahariah 12 and 13. Especially liked this part.

    So yes, you're right, Jesus was a false prophet and this does tie in nicely with Dueteronomy 13:1-6. Thank you, for yet another thread, without you ever coming back to post in it.
     
  7. Deut 13:1

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    Dunno, got me. ;)

    But I do think his interpretation of Zachariah 12 and 13 is right about Mr. J... I mean the guy does come out and say he is a false prophet... :biglaugh: :rolleyes:
     
  8. andersbranderud

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    Hello,

    So you love the Jews? Why do you wan't them to stop practise non-selective Torah-observance then??

    No one can follow two polar-opposite masters — the authentic, historical, PRO-Torah 1st-century Ribi from Nazareth and the 4th-century (post-135 C.E.), arch-antithesis ANTI-Torah apostasy developed by the Hellenists (namely the Sadducees and Roman pagans who conspired to kill Ribi Y?hoshua, displaced his original followers and redacted the NT).

    Who are you talking about in your post? To be a follower of the historical first century Jew – Ribi Yehoshua – you must practise non-selective Torah-observance.

    Historical Scholars in leading universities (for example Bart Ehrman) agrees that NT has been redacted.

    The earliest extant Church historian, Eusebius further documented (EH III.xxvii.4-6) that the original Netzarim accepted only the Jewish Tana"kh as Bible and only The Netzarim ("their own") Hebrew Matityahu (NHM) as an authentic account of the life and teachings of Ribi Y?hoshua, never accepting the the 2nd-4th century, heavily gentile-redacted (Greek), NT.

    Ribi Yehoshua said:

    "Don't think that I came to uproot the Torah or the Neviim [prophets], but rather I came to reconcile them with the Oral Law of emet (truth). Should the heavens and ha-aretz (the land, particularly referring to Israel) exchange places, still, not even one ' (yod) nor one ` (qeren) of the Oral Law of Mosheh shall so much as exchange places; until it shall become that it is all being fully ratified and performed non-selectively. For whoever deletes one Oral Law from the Torah, or shall teach others such, by those in the Realm of the heavens he shall be called "deleted." Both he who preserves and he who teaches them shall be called Ribi in the Realm of the heavens. For I tell you that unless your Tzedaqah (righteousness) is over and above that of the Sophrim, and of the [probably 'Herodian'] Rabbinic-Perushim (corrupted to "Pharisees"), there is no way you will enter into the Realm of the heavens! “
    The Netzarim Hebrew Reconstruction of Matityahu 5:17-20

    and

    “Take heed against false Neviim (Prophets) who come to you in wool like sheep, but inside they are wolves who extort. You shall recognize them by their works. Do men pick grapes from a stinging-nettle? Or figs from a thistle? So, every green tree is unable to produce evil fruit, and a dried-up tree is unable to produce good fruit."”

    Ribi Yehoshua warned for false prophets who don’t produce good fruit = defined as don’t practise the commandments in Torah. See Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1-6.
    Now you are confronted with the very words of historical Ribi Yehoshua. You can’t rebel and reject the very words he claims to follow. If you don’t follow Ribi Yehoshuas Torah-teachings, than you don’t follow Ribi Yehoshua.

    So why not start following Ribi Yehoshua? To follow him by practising the commandments in Torah including helping the needy gives true meaning of life!!

    From Anders Branderud
    Geir Toshav, Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel (Netzarim, Restored 'Nazarene Jews' of Israel) who are followers of Ribi Yehoshua – Messiah – in Orthodox Judaism
     
  9. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Marvelous irony ... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Elessar

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    This proselytizing thread is unwelcome in this DIR, whether or not it agrees with our beliefs.
     
  11. Freelance_Policeman

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    I don't see it as proselytizing.

    andersbranderud, that's not what he said at all. Yahshua was opposed to the Pharisees and Sadducees, not just the Sadducees. He condemned the Pharisees for "mak[ing] void the commandments of God for the sake of your tradition." I take the "tradition" to mean the Oral Law.

    Yahshua warned against removing a jot or tittle from the law-ie, letters. Not removing oral tradition from it.
     
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