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  1. Mitty

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    Why were most of Noah's family divinely executed given that the bible says that they were the only people who drowned in that particular flood, including his grandparents & widowed mother & his other children & grandchildren as well as his aunts & uncles & cousins and his brothers & sisters (Gen 5:26-32)?

    And what did Noah's family need to repent for, given that biblical morality is obviously just man-made, including the ten commandments etc, since they didn't apply to Noah's family?
    And what relevance was it to the Holy Ghost anyway (Matt 12:32)?
     
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    Isaiah's warning (Isaiah 22:4-6) foretold that Elamite archers would be among those attacking Judah and Jerusalem.
    The Elamites were also prophesied to unite with Media in despoiling Babylon (539 BCE)
    Media was then under the rule of Cyrus II the king od Anshan ( Isaiah 21:2).
    Elamites thus contributed toward the release of Israel from its exile, yet having aligned themselves at times with God's enemies.
    Elam along with the other nations, in due time, would be made to drink the cup of God's wrath...... Jeremiah 25:17; Jeremiah 25:25-29; Ezekiel 32:24.

    As a nation Elam ceased to exist even as foretold by Jeremiah 49:34-39
     
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    But when that verse was recorded Elam existed and the verses for the coming of the Lord refer to the latter days.

    The Lord was prophesied to set His throne in Elam, from which the Messiah would rule.

    Elam is modern-day Persia.

    Jeremiah 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

    Jeremiah 49:39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.
     
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  4. Mitty

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    Does that mean that the Iranians are the chosen people, and that Jesus will return to Iran?
    If so, no wonder Trump is upset with Iran.
     
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    Why were spirits in graves?

    And what happened to the rotting corpses after they crawled out of their graves and wandered around downtown Jerusalem (Matt 27:52-53)? Did they go elsewhere, or did they just crawl back into their graves (Matt 27:52-53)?
     
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  6. Mitty

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    And was David baptized too, given that David was his god's begotten son (Psalm 2:7)?
     
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  8. rational experiences

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    Father also stated some other relative science/occult advice about our brothers wanting to have life destroyed on Earth as God, the first, the planet O one body.

    If you said I want to emulate or copy the planet, to begin. First you do not exist, hence nor does science.

    Second the heavenly gases do not exist. Nor do you. 2 thoughts that already state, human/science self and machine do not exist. Just the planet does.

    Then if you take its particle a mineral first, its highest state FUSED...and then melted it to conversion, your claim in mind would equate...and then a volcano owning melt opened up and began spewing out its heated/smoke carbon gases.

    But my machine cannot function, for it would just be in melt.

    So then I would have to cool it. Yet Earth owns no water in this theme nor gases.

    He then would cool his volcano, and it would go away.

    The thesis and result pretending his machine is God the stone planet that he named as God and abstracted machine parts from, the planet. Would just go back to being in its highest cosmological state....the spatial vacuum.

    Which is his idea in science highest law, highest state Mother of God, the spatial womb.

    So Earth, as mass, cold radiation fusion is the only body he ever really discussed as relative to the statements science. How to take that mass and convert destroy it.

    Historically his science self male group title, the Destroyer. And all of his personal science information, destruction, was never creation.
     
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    If science says, I sacrificed my own male life for pretending my human Father was God the stone body mass first. A machine idea. Then he did.

    If he said to self the dinosaurs were the giant life living in the radiation Satanic gas mass burning fall out life, then he did. Archaeology proved that science machine were now inside of an opened up Earth, fused owning the machine parts. So the science group says I did it, as I pretended I was God. Why I preach no man is God in full aware science taught knowledge about life on Earth.

    If I quote and when the dinosaur life died and was given eternal life in the after life....then the dinosaurs would be snap frozen in ICE, and own a body mass that has not decomposed. As first information in modern life as evidence do not do science.

    Which would own, asteroid incoming star bodies, fast hitting comets, ICE, ICE melt into flood, why lots of after life dinosaurs became bones all mashed together as evidence to self before science.

    To then own a quote, when I first used science pyramid temple technology, I nearly destroyed all life on Earth again. And own the story and all evidence to say, yes I did. And humans left over, not deceased mutated would be living under the ground. Due to above ground radiation levels.

    So that story life sacrificed and wandering star advice, ice and ice melt/floods already existed in the Moses theme. As a studier researcher I would prove to my self that the modern day pyramid science would have caused nearly exactly what happened before. Therefore I could research the information and quote, it seems the Jesus story is the Moses story already.

    Humans in awareness would be quoting, our Father, the science self in our Holy Land taught Jesus that relative advice, about life being attacked/destroyed in Temple sciences.

    So the scenario today if science said I want to copy that history, the same, same story would recur. The asteroid wandering star would be seen as advice of its travel and incoming closeness to Earth. Humanity would claim, ice melted and now flooding occurs. They would say and then a new born male baby would advise science of its last days, as a humans. And then science still practicing its evil radiation occult attack would ignore that advice and then Earth would get spatial attacked.

    For it would own a relative science model of attacked/dying sacrificed life as evidence against self deceit by a human male group A greed living condition. To lie to self in the statements science claiming it is safe, when life was always attacked, sacrificed and destroyed. Why occultism was always science.
     
  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    The Persians were chosen at the end of the age, but it was not because they were spiritual giants, in fact the opposite. God gives the Message to those most deprived of the Spirit first.

    That is also why the Message of Baha'u'llah went to America nice and early as well. The issues now facing America were given a solution in the late 1800's.

    Regards Tony
     
  11. The Anointed

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    Mitty wrote......So why does Gen 5:32 say that Noah's surviving children were all born when Noah was 500 years old? And why does Gen 11:12 say that Shem wasn't born until Noah was 502 "years" old and not 500 "years" old (Gen 5:32)? And if so, was Ham and/or Japheth born when Noah was 500 "years" old?

    Noah’s only biological children, were his three sons, ‘Ham, Shem, and Japheth, who were born 'AFTER' Noah had turned 500. Genesis 5: 32; GNB, After Noah had turned 500, RSV, After Noah had turned 500, The Full Life Study Bible; After Noah had turned 500, etc, etc, etc.

    Mitty wrote,,,,,, In other words the bible says that Noah's grandfather was drowned in a flood which was only 15 cubits high, along with Noah's widowed mother, and his aunts & uncles & cousins & brothers & sisters & his other children & grandchildren (Gen 5:26-32). Which is why the biblical writers presumably changed the age of Methusael's death from 970 "years" old to 969 "years" old (Gen 5:27).

    The Ark, which was made of heavy timber coated inside and out with bitumen, was 30 cubits high, the waters had to rise 15 cubits before it would even begin to float, after which the flood continued to rise until it covered the high hills.

    All Noah’s grandchildren were born after the flood. There is no record of the age of Lamech’s mother, or if any of Lamech's brothers and sisters, the aunts and uncles of Noah were still alive when the flood occurred, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to substantiate, your unsupported ramblings.

    Methuselah, the grandfather of Noah was 187 when he sired Lamech, (Gen 5: 25.) who was 182 when he sired Noah (Gen 5: 28.) 187+ 182 = 369, After siring Noah, Lamech lived another 595 years, which means that Noah was 595 when his father Lamech died and 5 years later, when Noah was 600, the flood came. Are you still with me Mitty? You can add up can’t you?

    Methuselah was 187 when he sired Lamech, (Gen 5: 25.) and Lamech was 777 (Gen 5: 31.) when he died 5 years before the flood. Which means that Methuselah, who was 187 when his son Lamech died at the age of 777, was 964, five years before the flood, 187+777=964, add the extra five years and we have Methuselah dying at the age of 969 when his grandson Noah was 600 in the year of the flood, but Methuselah died before the flood, in fact it was the death of Methuselah which foretold the flood.

    The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

    Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

    Mitty wrote..... So what evidence do you have that Mr & Mrs Noah only had sex once in their lifetimes to celebrate their 500th birthday.

    Considering that Ham was born when Noah was 500, and Shem was born when Noah was 502, and Japheth was born some years later, I would say they had sex more than once.

    Mitty wrote..... Or is that just another imaginative fantasy story, given that the Gen 5 "years" are obviously more easily observed lunar cycles of ~29 days and not solar cycles of 365 days.

    The Enoch Calendar is shown in the 1st Book of Enoch and was given by the Angel Uriel (YahEl), and is the original Priestly Calendar that was used in the Torah. The Enoch Calendar is a 12-Month Solar Calendar having 364 Days, and it was used by the antediluvian patriarchs and by Noah, Abraham, and Jacob. It was taught to Moses by the Angel Yah, etc.

    Mitty continues in his unsupported ramblings.......Thus Adam and his genetically identical partner also named Adam first became pregnant at aged ~11 years old and not a silly 130 "years" old (Gen 5:1-3) and Methusael was drowned at aged ~80 years old and not a ridiculous 969 "years" old, and Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged ~40 years old and not an absurd 500 "years" old.

    Yea! talk to the other hand mate. I know that the corona virus is running rampant down south, I wonder if those who are infected might suffer some temporary mental disorder?
     
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  12. Trailblazer

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    No, it does not mean that. It means that the Messiah appeared in Elam, which is modern-day Persia, but just because He appeared there that does not mean the people to whom He first appeared are the chosen people. The chosen people are the people who choose God when they recognize the Messenger of God; so Jews were chosen because they recognized Moses and Christians were chosen because they recognized Jesus.
     
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  13. Mitty

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    So where does the bible say that Noah only had three sons who were born to celebrate Noah's 500th birthday. And do you have any evidence that he and Mrs Noah therefore only had sex once in their lifetimes?

    In other words the draught of Noah's wooden boat was obviously far less than 10 cubits and would have easily floated in 15 cubits, or are you claiming that Noah's boat was a submarine? Indeed even the steel ocean liner "Queen Mary" would've been able to sail up the centre of that river when in flood, and has a height of 236.2 ft and a draught of 33.8 ft. Queen Mary 2 - Wikipedia

    Do you have any evidence that Noah didn't have other children who were born before Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged 500 "years" old?
    And do you have any evidence that none of Noah's aunts & uncles & cousins & brothers & sisters were still alive and that therefore no one drowned in that particular flood apart from Noah's grandfather, given that the bible clearly says that the only people who drowned were all members of Noah's family?
    Or don't you believe what the bible actually says?

    Nonsense. The bible clearly says that Noah's grandfather obviously drowned in that particular flood at aged 969 "years" old, given that he was 369 "years" old when Noah was born.
    Or don't you believe what the bible actually says?

    Where does the bible say that, or did you just make that up too, given that the bible clearly says that Noah's grandfather died when Noah was 600 "years" old.

    Where does the bible say that, given that Gen 5:32 clearly says that Noah was 500 "years" old when Japheth & Ham & Shem were born?
    Or don't you believe what the bible actually says

    None of those silly ramblings changes the fact that the "years" in Gen 5 were obviously lunar cycles of ~29 days and not solar cycles of 365 days. Otherwise the story has absolutely no credibility and is just pure fantasy.

    But If you actually believe otherwise, then where does Gen 5 clearly define the number of days in a "year", or for ever hold your peace and stop your silly ramblings?

    But I don't live in Texas or Florida and our total death toll since December is still far less than Das Fuhrer Trump's daily death toll.
    United States Coronavirus: 6,460,421 Cases and 193,253 Deaths - Worldometer
    Australia Coronavirus: 26,322 Cases and 762 Deaths - Worldometer
     
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    B/c people did and do misunderstand the true nature of the kingdom. It is not literal. (Jn 18:36)

    Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
     
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    No more than saved people today are of their families that are lost eternally.
     
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    So why were most of Noah's family so naughty, including his grandparents and mother and his other children and grandchildren who all drowned?
     
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    They chose to be naughty.

    Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
     
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    So why did that god make such a silly mistake and what did the god repent to?

    That particular flood, however, was only 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flooded area. Nor did it have any effect on kangaroos or sloths etc, nor on our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl.
     
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    Is that why Moses & Noah & Abraham & David etc never went to heaven (John 3:13) even though David was his god's begotten son (Psalm 2:7)?
     
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    Who were the grandparents of Noah? And when did they die in relation to the flood? Who was the mother of Noah and in what year did she die? Name any grandchildren of Noah who lived before the flood?

    Come on mate, instead of rambling rubbish, show us the evidence to support anything that you have said?.
     
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