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Featured Jesus in the Quran makes no sense

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Octavio Siepi, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. Mudramoksha

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    Well yes, because the Qur'an isn't biography of Jesus :rolleyes: (or of anyone for that matter)

    It really doesn't at all, if you're honest about it.
     
  2. Shad

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    Ergo the claim it makes more sense is only related to the point I previous made; Trinity. Even Christians have issues explaining it and they believe it in the mainstream. Most explanations are rejected or is considered heresy by one group or another



    Sure. However my point was about the source of information. Keeping in mind I am not a Muslim so do not think Muhammad was told everything by Gabriel(?)
     
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    It has to 'borrow from the NT', because it has less information about a topic? Is that logical?
     
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    It is clear from the Qur'an Jesus was born in summer.
     
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    Ergo the Quran does not actually make more sense of Jesus as it only address specific points nothing more.
     
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    So? Belief does not mean fact. Your response does not address my point.
     
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    What kind of sense exactly are you looking for? The bible supports the Quran's version of Jesus. Jesus says as Jonah was in the stomach of the fish for three days and three nights so I will be under the earth for three days and three nights.
     
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    It's agreed upon by large among Christian scholars even if there is no concrete evidence for it (since you disbelieve the Qur'an). Meaning the Qur'an has a specific detail the bible does not have and a detail that the Christians have come to agree with. It was an example.
     
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    Evidence for what?

    So? If I wrote a book about Muhammad that has information not contained in existing texts does that mean I am adding more details or fiction?
     
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    No it doesn't as the Bible predates the Quran.

    You claimed more sense. I rejected the point outside the Trinity only in relation to monotheism.

    So?
     
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    For that Jesus was born in summer.
    Naturally it depends on whether you're right or not. My point is the Qur'an is right. So it can't be called adding of fiction.

    But just now you said the Qur'an doesn't have enough information regarding Jesus and now you go out of your way to insinuate it doesn't matter what information it does have regarding Jesus.
     
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    I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure the English language does allow me nevertheless to say the bible supports the version written in the Qur'an.
    So Jonah was in the belly of the fish alive.
     
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    Saying X does not mean X is true. Hence why I mentioned dates. More so when the source predates your own it is a jump in logic that the later in confirmed by the former rather than the former is borrowed by the later.

    So?
     
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    So jesus didn't die.

    Former or later doesn't matter when both are considered to withhold revelations.
     
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    So? The Quran injects a date (fruit) into the verse. That does not mean it is right nor that Christians used the Quran to determine a date.

    Belief vs fact. Try again.

    No. I was talking about quantitative.
     
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    So?

    I do not believe in the Bible. The story of Jonah does not impact me. I think it is fiction too.
     
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    But the Christian believe it is true.
    No, and that exactly is the point.
     
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    You recall we're compering the Qur'an and the bible?
     
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