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JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

101G

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Now, read again Leviticus 7:27

Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
This isn't Hebrew. This is english in the KJV. Any manner of blood includes spiritual imaginary symbolic drinking blood rituals of any kind.
OT, done away in Christ Jesus..... REPROVED.
listen, 1 Timothy 4:4 "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" 1 Timothy 4:5 "For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
SO, YOU'RE REJECTED AGAIN...... :rolleyes:
get out of that old covenant .... please.

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
so, you are saying that the Jews LIED?
No, I'm saying the book of John lies.
personal opinions, REJECTED.
I showed you the lies, you cannot refute them.

Go ahead, over the weekend ask Jesus to tell you my mother's maiden name. Then post it here to glorify the father and the son.... betcha can't do it. That means the book of John lies. And that was one lie of many.
but did they withstand in the end? no, Moses serpent/staff swallowed up theirs.
True, but they could still work wonders, that means working wonders is not a reliable method for determining whom to follow.
do you think he was in public office in this world..... lol, lol, lol.

now, "a partial / shadow messiah?", beside Wonderful, Comforter, the Counsellor, the Helper, yes the Holy Spirit, (John 14). The mighty God, yes the ONLY ONE, (1 Timothy 6:16), The everlasting Father, (the Ordinal First, Isaiah 48:12), The Prince of Peace, (Luke 2:14).
all fulfilled.
Nope, not the prince of peace. By his own words: Luke 12:51.

"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division"
Scripture just keeps proving you wrong.... huh.

Even if you imagine a government in heaven on his shoulder, it's still not a match. Still a partial messiah.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
get out of that old covenant .... please.
After you... *figuratively holds the door open for 101G* I hope you depart from the Hebrew bible and never return to it.

And I just proved that Jesus in John is false messiah. You can't refute it.

John 6 has Jesus advising Jews to perform a blood ritual even though it's strictly forbidden in Leviticus 17.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

For any godhead (Jesus) had to claim himself in
in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner and give reasons/arguments, which Yeshua never did, right?
Isn't it an accusation/blame of the Paulian-" Christians" that Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah ever claimed godhead for himself, please. Right?
Others claims for his godhead are therefore in vain, if he did not claim himself, please. Right?

Regards
Anybody else, please.
Isn't it, therefore, the Paulian-Christians the Creators of their " Jesus-god", please?
Right?
Isn't it an accusation and or blame on (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah that he claimed to be a god, while he never claimed to be as such himself, it transpires, please? Right?

Regards
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#287 joelr,"The Gospels are anonymous and non-eyewitness
Unlikely to even be the words of Jesus
So once again we have "it's true because it says it's true" fallacy.
waving an ancient story that is full of a Greek/Persian version of Judaism."
#286 joelr, "Bible is a syncretic blend of older myths."
#289 joelr, "The god's name was written in paleo-Hebrew as (יהוה‎ in block script), transliterated as YHWH " Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia
 
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joelr

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you first ERROR of the DAY. proof #1. Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:6 "In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

just as soon as Y...O....U lean to, your, or some or man, or thing understanding, ..... that's when you put the spiritual noose around your "OWN" neck.

Wait, you are telling me I made an "error" while STILL using the same fallacy? Not just any fallacy, the absolute worst? "It's true because it says it's true" is literally the stupidest response possible.
Sorry, no error there. This God is true because the scripture about him says things about him. That is your proof?
So every Hindu can just say "error" then quote Hindu scripture about Krishna.
Every Muslim can prove Christians are lyers just by quoting their scripture. Unless you are a Jehovas Witness you are going to hell soon at the 2nd coming. It says so in their scripture.
Ridiculous.





proof #2. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."so befor one open his or her mouth, goto God first to see what one need to say instead of again, leaning to some other man or thing for understanding.

let God teach you, and guide you, then there will be no mixing of any religions.

hope that helps.

101G.


wait, you thing that helps??????? Again, you just preach scripture, words from people. Yahweh is a fictional deity, like all deities. The OT is a mix of Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Babylonian myths. Later Persian myths were added in.
Yahweh was a Canaanite deity which is where the Israelites come from.

There is no Gods here, just things people wrote. These are myths and mythical Gods. If you are incapable of having an actual honest exchange I can just move on.
Yahweh

Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
provide evidence? ok, are you living by breathing, right now? was it not God who gave you that living breath?



First, no, life evolved from evolution which evolved from simple self-replacating compounds on early Earth. Second even if some deity started the universe it isn't any of the theistic Gods in mythology. Yahweh is exactly as likely as Zeus or Inana.

There is zero evidence for them and massive evidence they are syncretic myth.

Every religion can claim that their evidence is "but God gave you breath.....?" Sorry, not evidence.

1000 years earlier Inana was praised by Edheduanna as the life giver -

"To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inana. To rove around, to rush, to rise up, to fall down and to live ...... a companion are yours, Inana. To open up roads and paths, a place of peace for the journey, a companion for the weak, are yours, Inana. To keep paths and ways in good order, to shatter earth and to make it firm are yours, Inana. To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. Desirability and arousal, goods and property are yours, Inana. Gain, profit, great wealth and greater wealth are yours, Inana. Gaining wealth and having success in wealth, financial loss and reduced wealth are yours, Inana. Observation (1 ms. has instead: Everything), choice, offering, inspection and approval are yours, Inana. Assigning virility, dignity, guardian angels, protective deities and cult centres are yours, Inana.
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and you accuse 101G of not providing. A cohesive argument? ..... (smile). lol, lol, lol. Oh dear.


And you still haven't. You so far have just gave scripture from a myth. You haven't demonstrated a God, you haven't given evidence these writings are actual revelations or about a real God, you just asserted your beliefs (without explanation or justification), arguments that could be made by any or all other religions, race supremecy, facism, KKK, words without evidence.
This is not a cohesive argument even a little.

I can claim Superman is real and write words from his diary all day, doesn't make it a valid argument. I'm wondering at this point if you even know what an argument actually is?



what did you say? "I don't care"...... what you think..... :p YIKES!.

I said, - "And guess what, Jewish people, even with Christians added on are not "numerous as the stars in heaven". As far as religious beliefs that makes up 1/3 of all believers. So the prophecy did not happen."

So that prophecy didn't happen.
Again however instead of responding to the argument you have moved to the "my ears are blocked" type thing which is bizarre. What it isn't is an actual argument?
The degree to how much you care or don't care doesn't matter. The discussion is the Bible is a syncretic blend of older myths. What you "care" about isn't important. Can you actually defend or justify your beliefs is what is important. Looks like you cannot?






are you sure? let me ask you something about Revelation. listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
question, is this two person in this one verse? yes or no. will be looking for your answer.

Moving the goalpost isn't going to help.
This myth was taken from a Persian myth that they already had when they invaded Israel. It was later used in Revelation.

The basic tenants of the story - a final battle between God/devil, lots of fire, alll good followers get resurrected into new eternal bodies that live in paradise on Earth forever, are clearly the main part of the Persian myth just like Revelations.

As I said, it's all syncretic myth.

The specifics of what the Christian author did to make changes (which is how religious syncretism works) is of no importance.



Revelations


but Zoroaster taught that the blessed must wait for this culmination till Frashegird and the 'future body' (Pahlavi 'tan i pasen'), when the earth will give up the bones of the dead (Y 30.7). This general resurrection will be followed by the Last Judgment, which will divide all the righteous from the wicked, both those who have lived until that time and those who have been judged already. Then Airyaman, Yazata of friendship and healing, together with Atar, Fire, will melt all the metal in the mountains, and this will flow in a glowing river over the earth. All mankind must pass through this river, and, as it is said in a Pahlavi text, 'for him who is righteous it will seem like warm milk, and for him who is wicked, it will seem as if he is walking in the • flesh through molten metal' (GBd XXXIV. r 8-r 9). In this great apocalyptic vision Zoroaster perhaps fused, unconsciously, tales of volcanic eruptions and streams of burning lava with his own experience of Iranian ordeals by molten metal; and according to his stern original teaching, strict justice will prevail then, as at each individual j udgment on earth by a fiery ordeal. So at this last ordeal of all the wicked will suffer a second death, and will perish off the face of the earth. The Daevas and legions of darkness will already have been annihilated in a last great battle with the Yazatas; and the river of metal will flow down into hell, slaying Angra Mainyu and burning up the last vestige of wickedness in the universe.

Ahura Mazda and the six Amesha Spentas will then solemnize a lt, spiritual yasna, offering up the last sacrifice (after which death wW be no more), and making a preparation of the mystical 'white haoma', which will confer immortality on the resurrected bodies of all the blessed, who will partake of it. Thereafter men will beome like the Immortals themselves, of one thought, word and deed, unaging, free from sickness, without corruption, forever joyful in the kingdom of God upon earth. For it is in this familiar and beloved world, restored to its original perfection, that, according to Zoroaster, eternity will be passed in bliss, and not in a remote insubstantial Paradise. So the time of Separation is a renewal of the time of Creation, except that no return is prophesied to the original uniqueness of living things. Mountain and valley will give place once more to level plain; but whereas in the beginning there was one plant, one animal, one man, the rich variety and number that have since issued from these will remain forever. Similarly the many divinities who were brought into being by Ahura Mazda will continue to have their separate existences. There is no prophecy of their re-absorption into the Godhead. As a Pahlavi text puts it, after Frashegird 'Ohrmaid and the Amahraspands and all Yazads and men will be together. .. ; every place will resemble a garden in spring, in which

there are all kinds of trees and flowers ... and it will be entirely the creation of O
hrrnazd' (Pahl.Riv.Dd. XLVIII, 99, lOO, l07).
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
THAT'S WHY 101G ALWAYS SAY..... GOTO GOD, THE LORD JESUS FOR HE DO NOT LIE.

The Gospels are anonymous and non-eyewitness. Unlikely to even be the words of Jesus and are suspiciously the same as Rabbi Hillel.
The supernatural demigod parts are 100% fiction and match Greek Hellenistic theology exactly.

So once again we have "it's true because it says it's true" fallacy.
You haven't demonstrated any God, or that Jesus was real, you just are waving an ancient story that is full of a Greek/Persian version of Judaism.

You didn't answer the question (again) and just made a baseless claim based on what you believe, but cannot offer evidence.


But the Bible is full of contradictions. Here are 100 just in Mark alone.
Mark: Contradictions


see above, if in doubt. (smile).

So you answer to the next question is to double down on a fallacy? The worst possible fallacy? So you literally have nothing. A claim that a myth is real. You have no evidence, no argument, nothing.





Y
ou think? that's dangerous ..... Lol, LOl, LOL, Oh dear.

101G.


Clearly you do find thinking dangerous because you don't do it, you just assume a book of supernatural mythology is real and cannot form basic arguments for yourself. You have been reduced to preaching lines from fiction to answer everything.
Now, please explain which biblical historical scholar tells lies, what was being lied about and what was the evidence that they lied. You said scholars lie. So please give your evidence.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
how do you know? .... are you a scholar?....... (smile) ....... or are you God and know every scripture? so how do you KNOW, did you say all of this is Fiction, and or copies from other religions? so, you're an expert/Scholar in falseness then? thought so.

101G.


The Bible is syncretic meaning the theology is all taken from older religions. Some stories are re-workings of older myths and some are probably original stories. Zechariah is a prophet and that passage he is talking about is the future during the final battle. So it's fiction.
But he is talking about a battle so that is the context of being peirced.
This was written after the return from Exile when the Persian king Cyrus allowed them to return and Persian theology began entering into Jewish theology. Cyrus is even in scripture he was liked so much.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Yahweh is Pagan. so that's dismissed.

News flash, your lack of knowledge, arguments or anything of substance is noted, yet still making proclamations without evidence just makes this more of a joke (or a troll).
"The god's name was written in paleo-Hebrew as (יהוה‎ in block script), transliterated as YHWH; modern scholarship has reached consensus to transcribe this as Yahweh."

Yahweh is the oldest name of the Israelites deity. Yes it's from Canaanite religion but the stories in Genesis are all Mesopotamian so it's all pagan. The NT is all Greek/Persian so that is also pagan.

You can "dismiss" things all day but unless you provide evidence you still have made no point.



how you know, do men know? ...... well then every religion is in error except one..... (smile)//////

Then provide evidence or remain wrong. Did you actually think going to a debate forum where you just announce your beliefs as the truth would fly and not make you a complete troll?



wel,l are all of them is TRUE? no, only ONE.

101G


Right your religion makes the claim, as they all do. Clearly they are all made up. You cannot seem to present any evidence for yours. Once again you just state your personal beliefs. You don't even understand how to make an argument never mind understand what is true.
Two in a row of just "oh well my beliefs are true..." This is complete troll behavior.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
doe them no, but for God who is Jesus and the apostles, and his disciples..... Yes..

OMG, why are you even bothering? Based on what? Jesus is a myth, resurrecting demigods don't exist and never did. The idea isn't even original.


no, that's them, not us.... (smile)..... lol, lol, lol. Oh dear..

Why would you lol, smile AND oh dear WITHOUT EVEN MAKING A POINT?????????????????
Your answer is "I know you are but what am I"????????????/

Yes, the 2 nations occupied Israel from 500 BCE to 100 BCE. All of the theology in the NT was already in those religions during that time. The Hebrews borrowed the ideas. There is actual EVIDENCE of this.
It's known in historicity the ideas came from Greek, Persian and Roman sources first. Meaning your religion is a made up mythology.
Your lack of evidence and repeated claims just backs up what I'm saying and exposes you as not having a response.


Second Temple Judaism[edit]
During the period of the Second Temple (c. 515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is thought to be derived from Persian cosmology,[49] although the later claim has been recently questioned.[50] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]





nope, who say that God is an ECHAD of himself as the First and Last, which is a Diversity?
now post the religion who states that? I'll be looking for your reply.

101G.

No you cannot move the goalpost. This dishonest style is immoral. You said -
"now all my finding can be checked. and supportive by scripture, and word search definitions. 1"

Well finds about all religions can be checked and supported by their scriipture? Doesn't make them true?


Now ECHAD in Hebrew means "one".

Thousands of Gods are called the one. All the text about Yahweh has been said about older Gods for thousands of years before Judaism. BUT ONCE AGIN you use scripture to say "it's true because it says it's true" The biggest FALLACY known to humans.
You defeat your own non-argument with this.

Inana is apparently all these things because it says so? Wow who knew?


"The great-hearted mistress, the impetuous lady, proud among the Anuna gods and pre-eminent in all lands, the great daughter of Suen, exalted among the Great Princes (a name of the Igigi gods) , the magnificent lady who gathers up the divine powers of heaven and earth and rivals great An, is mightiest among the great gods -- she makes their verdicts final. The Anuna gods crawl before her august word whose course she does not let An know; he dares not proceed against her command. She ../changes her own action, and no one knows how it will occur. She makes perfect the great divine powers, she holds a shepherd's crook, and she is their magnificent pre-eminent one. She is a huge shackle clamping down upon the gods of the Land. Her great awesomeness covers the great mountain and levels the roads."

Your understanding ...... all the gods ....... You alone are magnificent. You are the great cow among the gods of heaven and earth, as many as there are. When you raise your eyes they pay heed to you, they wait for your word. The Anuna gods stand praying in the place where you dwell. Great awesomeness, glory ....... May your praise not cease! Where is your name not magnificent?
To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inana. To rove around, to rush, to rise up, to fall down and to ...... a companion are yours, Inana. To open up roads and paths, a place of peace for the journey, a companion for the weak, are yours, Inana. To keep paths and ways in good order, to shatter earth and to make it firm are yours, Inana. To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. Desirability and arousal, goods and property are yours, Inana. Gain, profit, great wealth and greater wealth are yours, Inana. Gaining wealth and having success in wealth, financial loss and reduced wealth are yours, Inana. Observation (1 ms. has instead: Everything), choice, offering, inspection and approval are yours, Inana. Assigning virility, dignity, guardian angels, protective deities and cult centres are yours, Inana.
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132-154...... mercy and pity are yours, Inana. ...... are yours, Inana. To cause the ...... heart to tremble, ...... illnesses are yours, Inana. To have a wife, ......, to love ...... are yours, Inana. To rejoice, to control (?), ...... are yours, Inana. Neglect and care, raising and bowing down are yours, Inana. To build a house, to create a woman's chamber, to possess implements, to kiss a child's lips are yours, Inana. To run, to race, to desire and to succeed are yours, Inana. To interchange the brute and the strong and the weak and the powerless is yours, Inana. To interchange the heights and valleys and the ...... and the plains (?) is yours, Inana. To give the crown, the throne and the royal sceptre is yours, Inana.
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155-157To diminish, to make great, to make low, to make broad, to ...... and to give a lavish supply are yours, Inana. To bestow the divine and royal rites, to carry out the appropriate instructions, slander, untruthful words, abuse, to speak inimically and to overstate are yours, Inana.

158-168The false or true response, the sneer, to commit violence, to extend derision, to speak with hostility, to cause smiling and to be humbled or important, misfortune, hardship, grief, to make happy, to clarify and to darken, agitation, terror, fear, splendour and great awesomeness in radiance, triumph, pursuit, imbasur illness, sleeplessness and restlessness, submission, gift, ...... and howling, strife, chaos, opposition, fighting and carnage, ......, to know everything, to strengthen for the distant future a nest built ......, to instill fear in the ...... desert like a ...... poisonous snake, to subdue the hostile enemy, ...... and to hate ...... are yours, Inana.

169-173To ...... the lots ......, to gather the dispersed people and restore them to their homes, to receive ......, to ...... are yours, Inana.
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174-181...... the runners, when you open your mouth, ...... turns into ....... At your glance a deaf man does not ...... to one who can hear. At your angry glare what is bright darkens; you turn midday into darkness. When the time had come you destroyed the place you had in your thoughts, you made the place tremble. Nothing can be compared to your purposes (?); who can oppose your great deeds? You are the lady of heaven and earth! Inana, in (?) the palace the unbribable judge, among the numerous people ...... decisions. The invocation of your name fills the mountains, An (?) cannot compete with your .......

182-196Your understanding ...... all the gods ....... You alone are magnificent. You are the great cow among the gods of heaven and earth, as many as there are. When you raise your eyes they pay heed to you, they wait for your word. The Anuna gods stand praying in the place where you dwell. Great awesomeness, glory ....... May your praise not cease! Where is your name not magnificent?
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
OT, done away in Christ Jesus..... REPROVED.
listen, 1 Timothy 4:4 "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" 1 Timothy 4:5 "For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
SO, YOU'RE REJECTED AGAIN...... :rolleyes:
get out of that old covenant .... please.

101G.


So you reject the 10 commandments?

Jesus said he was not here to change the law a jot or jittle.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
No, I'm saying the book of John lies.
so Jews don't LIE, at all?
Go ahead, over the weekend ask Jesus to tell you my mother's maiden name. Then post it here to glorify the father and the son.... betcha can't do it. That means the book of John lies. And that was one lie of many.
knowing your mother's Maden name will profit what in Salvation? so, next I ask God for the winning Lotto numbers next? don't silly and IGNORANT. those things are of the Flesh, Fleshly minded which leads to DEATH. Romans 8:5 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

see where your mind is at........ now goto God and ask him thing of the Spirit and .... LIVE ...... o_O wqhen will thay ever LEARN.

101G.

now REMEMBER, don't ask for the winning lotto numbers ...... ok.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
John 6 has Jesus advising Jews to perform a blood ritual even though it's strictly forbidden in Leviticus 17.
this just shows how IGNORANT you are. when Christians celebrate the Lord Death, do we EAT his Flesh and drank his Blood? yes, in symbolism,

now, are you setting a table for the return of Elijah? How IGNORANT, he has come and gone again ....lol, lol, lol. and many, and I mean many still set a place at their table for Elijah. ...... (smile). Oh boy, Oh boy .... Oh boy.

now just as Baptism, it shows one death, (smile). so, are they REALLY DEAD? LOL, LOL, LOL, see how silly one think in hearing eating of Flesh and drinking blood. how foolish can one be? .... maybe because they are IGNORANT? ... YES.

sorry had to take you to school, around the block, but the teacher must meet the student where their little minds are at.

101G.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Wait, you are telling me I made an "error" while STILL using the same fallacy?
yes the fallacy of your mind, and other misguided men also...... (smile)
So every Hindu can just say "error" then quote Hindu scripture about Krishna.
Every Muslim can prove Christians are lyers just by quoting their scripture. Unless you are a Jehovas Witness you are going to hell soon at the 2nd coming. It says so in their scripture.
Ridiculous.
Every Hindu? unless converted as well as any Muslim who comes to the Lord Jesus ... yes, can say that....... :D YIKES!
Unless you are a Jehovas Witness you are going to hell soon at the 2nd coming. It says so in their scripture.
Ridiculous.
No, one can goto hell before the second coming....... (smile), it's that Lake of Fire that is no return. one can get out of hell. but the Lake of Fire, it's a one way ticket, :D

and don't worry there will be a many so called Hindus, Muslims and so called Christians..... notice the keyword... "so Called".... (smiler), will make it to the Lake of fire.... Ouch!.
wait, you thing that helps??????? Again, you just preach scripture, words from people. Yahweh is a fictional deity, like all deities. The OT is a mix of Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Babylonian myths. Later Persian myths were added in.
A. have I not said Yahweh is a pagan name? Yeshua/Jesus is God Holy Name.
B. I can careless about Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Babylonian myths, or the Persian myths also. they mean NOTHING TO 101G. .... :rolleyes:

Now lastly, all this mythological stuff, this is what Facebook and tweeter are for..... ok, so take that stuff there, we discuss real Spiritual matters here. thanks in advance....

101G.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
First, no, life evolved from evolution which evolved from simple self-replacating compounds on early Earth. Second even if some deity started the universe it isn't any of the theistic Gods in mythology. Yahweh is exactly as likely as Zeus or Inana.
Second, third ERROR of the Morning. the Lord Jesus gave you the Life toy live right now, his breath,
No Life evolved but was made. micro evolution is a small change better know as ADAPTATION to one's environment. and the Lord Jesus is the AUTHOR of it. so, Macro evolution, as for 101G, was never in consideration. just as Man evolved from animals. NONESENSE, man was here before any animals. they was brought fort to ..... "HELP" man to maintain this planet various eco systems. man was made on day three (3), the animals was made on day five, (5). as a matter of Fact Man was here before the plants...... Hello.

see 101G don't fall for myths and superstations. you can, but not 101G.
I said, - "And guess what, Jewish people, even with Christians added on are not "numerous as the stars in heaven". As far as religious beliefs that makes up 1/3 of all believers. So the prophecy did not happen."

So that prophecy didn't happen.
Again however instead of responding to the argument you have moved to the "my ears are blocked" type thing which is bizarre. What it isn't is an actual argument?
The degree to how much you care or don't care doesn't matter. The discussion is the Bible is a syncretic blend of older myths. What you "care" about isn't important. Can you actually defend or justify your beliefs is what is important. Looks like you cannot?
no, it's just you cannot understand the TRUTH.

101G.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
The Gospels are anonymous and non-eyewitness. Unlikely to even be the words of Jesus and are suspiciously the same as Rabbi Hillel.
The supernatural demigod parts are 100% fiction and match Greek Hellenistic theology exactly.
personal opinion? you know what 101G do with personal opinions ..... (smile).

But the Bible is full of contradictions. Here are 100 just in Mark alone.
Mark: Contradictions
let's see a few,
1. Was Jesus the son of David? 1:1
Yes, in Legal Birthright to the Throne. How IGNORANT can one be.

2. How did God address Jesus at his baptism? 1:11
are you sure it was God who addressed the Lord Jesus at his Baptism?
Mark 1:11 "And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
you, and many others ERROR falsely by saying it was God's Voice. Mark verse did not say it was God's Voice it said, "a voice". you and many other ... ASSUMED ... that it was God's voice by what was said. ERROR on your and many others' part, in hermetic there is an application called NEAR and FAR. what was done before happens again. now let's debunked this LIE it was God's Voice that was from Heaven. using the hermetic application of Far and Near. let's see this God's voice from Heaven ERROR.
Example, (NEAR), God told Abraham to sacrifice his ONLY "Son", well when Abraham was about to do that, what happen, let's read the TRUTH. Genesis 22:10 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." (WHO CALLED TO ABRAHAM FROM HEAVERN?) Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."

HOLD IT, STOP THE PRESS. Abraham did not withhold his only son from the Angel? no, but God. was it not the angel ... FROM HEAVEN, speaking for God. for it was God, not the angel who told Abraham to sacrifice his ONLY "Son" let's check the record. Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

God temped or tested Abraham. and it was the angel of the Lord speaking from HEAVEN, not God, but for God.

let's go back to Mark
Mark 1:11 "And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." did the vers say it was God's voice? no, it said a voice, see how men LIE. when men say it was God's voice. here, they put the spiritual noose around their necks... and hang their own-selves.

there are no contradictions in the bible at all. the only contradiction is IGNORANT MEN.
this is just a sample of what one can do to eliminate these false contradictions clams when taught by the Holy Spirit, God himself.

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101G

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The Bible is syncretic meaning the theology is all taken from older religions. Some stories are re-workings of older myths and some are probably original stories. Zechariah is a prophet and that passage he is talking about is the future during the final battle. So it's fiction.
But he is talking about a battle so that is the context of being peirced.
This was written after the return from Exile when the Persian king Cyrus allowed them to return and Persian theology began entering into Jewish theology. Cyrus is even in scripture he was liked so much.
again, personal opinion,
next

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101G

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News flash, your lack of knowledge, arguments or anything of substance is noted, yet still making proclamations without evidence just makes this more of a joke (or a troll).
"The god's name was written in paleo-Hebrew as (יהוה‎ in block script), transliterated as YHWH; modern scholarship has reached consensus to transcribe this as Yahweh."

Yahweh is the oldest name of the Israelites deity. Yes it's from Canaanite religion but the stories in Genesis are all Mesopotamian so it's all pagan. The NT is all Greek/Persian so that is also pagan.

You can "dismiss" things all day but unless you provide evidence you still have made no point.
see all above

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101G

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Now ECHAD in Hebrew means "one".

Thousands of Gods are called the one.
101G can careless about others gods.
now the ECHAD of God, are any of them the Ordinal First and Ordinal Last? no.

H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

101G's source, the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
Root(s): H258
 

101G

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So you reject the 10 commandments?

Jesus said he was not here to change the law a jot or jittle.
No, for the law, the 10 commandants are not for a righteous man, supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

Now if you find yourself in one or more of these then it's for you. supportive scriptures, Romans 2:5 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;" Romans 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:" Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" Romans 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath," Romans 2:9 "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;" Romans 2:10 "But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God." Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" (READ THAT AGAIN) Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)" Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

So, for all you supposed to be keeper of the Law, (which all have broken, and no one could keep).... (smile) ...... :( YIKES! ..... Good Luck.

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