Jesus genes

[Ellen Brown]

Wow. That's more complicated than christianity. I would ask more about it but probably get stuck down the line.

None of us can draw firm conclusions about God, Jesus or any of them. My own supposition is that they aren't like Homo Sapiens. We were supposedly made in His image, but what does that mean? We get dogmatic about some of these issues to try to control our own anxieties.

I see God, Jesus, the Angels, both those who are fallen and those not as likely part of a race that can exist multidimensionally with ease. It is plausible that they all exist in the same space as we do but use other dimensions so we can not see them. When Moses meets God, he is a burning bush. Later Moses has a closer encounter with him and Moses face Glows. Characters in the OT walk with God and are known as friends to God, and then some "were not"

Later in the New Testament, Jesus is talked to by both God and satan. Of course, none of us "Muggles" see this going on, and my supposition is that the "Universals" move around in the different dimensions with such facility. Us regular folk, the Muggles, must try to understand and accept that we just don't get the half of what is happening around us, not one bit.

Lots of belief systems pile conditions upon conditions upon the tome of work that we must know to be suitable to make it into the Celestial Kingdom. I'm fairly certain that the resulting mass of rules doth stinketh like the excrement of the swine.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

None of us can draw firm conclusions about God, Jesus or any of them. My own supposition is that they aren't like Homo Sapiens. We were supposedly made in His image, but what does that mean? We get dogmatic about some of these issues to try to control our own anxieties.

I see God, Jesus, the Angels, both those who are fallen and those not as likely part of a race that can exist multidimensionally with ease. It is plausible that they all exist in the same space as we do but use other dimensions so we can not see them. When Moses meets God, he is a burning bush. Later Moses has a closer encounter with him and Moses face Glows. Characters in the OT walk with God and are known as friends to God, and then some "were not"

Later in the New Testament, Jesus is talked to by both God and satan. Of course, none of us "Muggles" see this going on, and my supposition is that the "Universals" move around in the different dimensions with such facility. Us regular folk, the Muggles, must try to understand and accept that we just don't get the half of what is happening around us, not one bit.

Lots of belief systems pile conditions upon conditions upon the tome of work that we must know to be suitable to make it into the Celestial Kingdom. I'm fairly certain that the resulting mass of rules doth stinketh like the excrement of the swine.

I dont know. I dont have any opinions of what jesus etc could have been in the god-sense. One big reason is time differences. B.C. period has more miracles than the A.D. and on up. I wonder how people would interpret our world in the future.

I mean. Has any believer sat and think backwards from the 20th century, 19th, on back until their perspective of today vanishes to the miracle-world back when.

 

[Katzpur]

I dont know. The bible isnt all of Christianity. Its has only but so many pages. The Dharma has thousands of more scripture and that still isnt enough.

Trust me, I'd be the first to agree with you that the Bible isn't all of Christianity.

Anyway, another human being. Probably Jewish. Its hard to make guesses. If I had more info I could probably make more educated guesses.

Fair enough. Obviously, I don't believe that the "Son of God" was really just the son of another human being. I actually can't imagine why God would refer to Jesus as His "Only Begotten Son" if He hadn't begotten Him, but I do admire your courage to say, "I don't know." None of us knows much of anything for sure.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Hallelujah...

Qute butt

 

[ChristineM]

Jesus had the chromosome of God the Father.
And Jesus had the chromosome of Mary.
This is why Jesus is called The Son of man and The Son of God.

Ah so now you are back to 50/50... Progress.

It would be more honest if you had said
'i believe' Jesus had the chromosome of God the Father.
And Jesus had the chromosome of Mary.

 

[nPeace]

What I believe does not relate to my question. That is like my asking you what two and two is and you ask, do you believe math.

The idea that a divine being can do anything even be god man is totally possible. If he could do anything I assume he can make a human with only XX chromosones. Who knows. Im not one to belittle christian beliefs. I was just wondering if jesus had no biological father, does he have XY chromosones; how does that work.

Is he a different type of human? What is he?

It matters very much, if you believe what I asked or not. That's key to the whole discussion. Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense at all.
So I have to agree with Sanzbir's post.
Unless the problem lies in the belief that is not Biblical.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It matters very much, if you believe what I asked or not. That's key to the whole discussion. Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense at all.
So I have to agree with Sanzbir's post.
Unless the problem lies in the belief that is not Biblical.

It doesn't. I don't need to believe in god to understand him and christianity. That's silly. If both parties know a topic, there is no deep cosmic reason why it shouldn't be discussed.

Now if you don't want to talk about it to swine, I understand. But just a conversation about god, that I don't. I try not to say what I believe because believers are biased in who they speak with with their religion. It's very weird.

 

[BSM1]

Qute butt

Thank you, I try to take of my self.

 

[nPeace]

It doesn't. I don't need to believe in god to understand him and christianity. That's silly. If both parties know a topic, there is no deep cosmic reason why it shouldn't be discussed.

Now if you don't want to talk about it to swine, I understand. But just a conversation about god, that I don't. I try not to say what I believe because believers are biased in who they speak with with their religion. It's very weird.

The question I asked was a simple one. Is the one you are asking about - God - supernatural, and more capable than we ourselves, or not? If he is, then what's the problem? Why ask what he is able to do, or not able to do? Why ask if he is capable of doing what man can do?

In other words, why make him a mortal that is now trying to figure out how to get a Y chromosome for a subject? It sounds more like an experiment scientist are carrying out.
So it would prompt the question - Are you looking at God as a mortal being, or supernatural?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You didn't ask this. You wanted to know if I believe in god or god exists.

The question I asked was a simple one. Is the one you are asking about - God - supernatural, and more capable than we ourselves, or not? If he is, then what's the problem? Why ask what he is able to do, or not able to do? Why ask if he is capable of doing what man can do?

Personally, I dont know. But I'm not going by my opinions. Ideally, the scriptural god can do anything. Yet, I do read christians put limitations on him nonetheless.

I never read that in scripture that jesus is a different type of human. Humans are born with their parents chromosones. Unless he is not a human just flesh over god, I honestly don't see how he is like us at all.

I honestly do not see how a thousand year gap can affect the laws of biology. Unless you can give me an insight on how different eras make it possible for god to do X but can't do Y now?

That would help a lot.

In other words, why make him a mortal that is now trying to figure out how to get a Y chromosome for a subject? It sounds more like an experiment scientist are carrying out.
So it would prompt the question - Are you looking at God as a mortal being, or supernatural?

Because jesus is mortal.

There is no deeper meaning to the question. I read another thread and was wondering why jesus or if jesus has an XY chromosome. How does that work. In the last three thousand years how can one live without XY chromosone forward the same reality, same life, we cannot. That is odd. No one has answered that though. It would solve a lot of problems to know the god of the gaps between the supernatural days and the materialistic, I guess you can say.

There is no cosmic reason behind the question.

Scripture doesnt answer this. Christians have their own limitations on god. But outside of that, if god can do anything, he would make different types of humans?

I'm not connected how someone can't be human in X C. But poof now, that's not possible. God or the (time) gap.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Adam and eve wasnt born of a human. Jesus was. Adam and Eve arent an incarnations. Jesus was. Adam and eve are not sinless. Jesus was.

So they are different. When jesus was born of a woman, he took on his mothers XX chromosones. But to make him male, he needs that Y. How does that work?

My point is God made Jesus via miracle power--the blood on the shroud is eloquent testimony--female mother, godly Father.

 

[nPeace]

You didn't ask this. You wanted to know if I believe in god or god exists.


Personally, I dont know. But I'm not going by my opinions. Ideally, the scriptural god can do anything. Yet, I do read christians put limitations on him nonetheless.

I never read that in scripture that jesus is a different type of human. Humans are born with their parents chromosones. Unless he is not a human just flesh over god, I honestly don't see how he is like us at all.

I honestly do not see how a thousand year gap can affect the laws of biology. Unless you can give me an insight on how different eras make it possible for god to do X but can't do Y now?

That would help a lot.



Because jesus is mortal.

There is no deeper meaning to the question. I read another thread and was wondering why jesus or if jesus has an XY chromosome. How does that work. In the last three thousand years how can one live without XY chromosone forward the same reality, same life, we cannot. That is odd. No one has answered that though. It would solve a lot of problems to know the god of the gaps between the supernatural days and the materialistic, I guess you can say.

There is no cosmic reason behind the question.

Scripture doesnt answer this. Christians have their own limitations on god. But outside of that, if god can do anything, he would make different types of humans?

I'm not connected how someone can't be human in X C. But poof now, that's not possible. God or the (time) gap.

That's why I said, that the problem may lie in not going be the Biblical account.
The Bible does not say, God came as a man. It says, God sent his son, who came as a man - fully human. John 3:16; Philippians 2:7, 8

So if you think of it as God - the almighty - the one who created life itself, as the one who implanted the seed into Mary - that is fertilized her egg, with the seed containing the 23 male chromosomes, then the process is the same as a normal birth.
The only difference is that 1) the seed is perfect, and has no defects, and 2) by his holy spirit, God could, prevent any problems occurring within the cells.
So the results were what God purposed - a boy.

Does that help?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Kinda. You lost me:

The Bible does not say, God came as a man.

It says, God sent his son, who came as a man - fully human. John 3:16; Philippians 2:7, 8

I dont see a difference. I just made it shorter. God sent his son, who came as a man (he is a man, as I said, right??), fully human (therefore, a man?)

God sent the human, man, jesus. Im not seeing the difference.

So if you think of it as God - the almighty - the one who created life itself, as the one who implanted the seed into Mary - that is fertilized her egg, with the seed containing the 23 male chromosomes, then the process is the same as a normal birth.

The only difference is that 1) the seed is perfect, and has no defects, and 2) by his holy spirit, God could, prevent any problems occurring within the cells.

In other words, yes. God can create one human without XY chromosones?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My point is God made Jesus via miracle power--the blood on the shroud is eloquent testimony--female mother, godly Father.

He lived without human male chromosones?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ah so now you are back to 50/50... Progress.

It would be more honest if you had said
'i believe' Jesus had the chromosome of God the Father.
And Jesus had the chromosome of Mary.

But the question is, How do you know that for sure.
For another thing, God doesn't have chromosomes, so no one could check the DNA of Christ Jesus.
To check either one of them, a person would something to check it by.

Seeing there is blood to take samples of or anything else.

 

[ChristineM]

But the question is, How do you know that for sure.
For another thing, God doesn't have chromosomes, so no one could check the DNA of Christ Jesus.
To check either one of them, a person would something to check it by.

Seeing there is blood to take samples of or anything else.

Ehm... How do you know for sure?

So when did god tell you he doesnt have chromosomes?

If as you say god has no chromosomes then all JCs chromosomes would have been female. I.e x'x, therefore he would have been female

If jc existed and was available to scientific examination then yes, chromosomes could be checked.

 

[viole]

I have always said that Joseph had to truly be a man of faith.
Mary " I'm pregnant"
Joseph " how is that possible? We never had sex!"
Mary " God made me pregnant"

Or maybe did not want her to be stoned to death.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I wasn't being rude, but you seem to be citing stuff no one said or suggested. I'll try again. I believe Jesus had perfectly "normal" dna, indistinguishable from that of any other human male's genome, including an x and y chromosome. Half came from Mary, and half was divinely created.

I see no reason to believe he had two x chromosomes, or was genetically haploid, or anything else that would mark his genetics as unusual.

I suggest to implement transubstantiation, fetch the wafer, and make a DNA test.

That should give us the answers we seek.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I am not sure what the problem is here.

Worrying about the genes of jesus under the assumption that His mother was a virgin, is like worrying about the fitness program of Superman.

Since we are talking of something miracolous, then I am sure that the Father (who apparently wanted a masculine child and not a clone of Mary), just filled the holes, accordingly.

And since He noticed that the Swedes are the most beautiful people of the world, He decided to use Swedish genes, and that explain the not very mediterranean look of Jesus in movies, pictures and stuff.

Ciao

- viole

 

[David T]

Parthenogenesis occurs more often in lower species (typically amphibians and reptiles), but so far just the once (that we're aware of) in humans. The miracle isn't so much the development of an unfertilized egg--the miracle is that an individual who would necessarily have two X chromosomes developed as a male!

I was reading another thread, and this question came to mind.

If jesus father isn't biological (virgin birth), he wouldn't have paternal genes. How does that work? Can one human be the only human within the last three thousand years to have no paternal genes as the rest of us do?

I'm not a gene specialist. Just wondering.

Easter bunny!!! Which btw was claimed through observation that in nature certain rabbits appeared to give birth without sex. Thus the easter bunny arrose because of science. Thank you scientists for that one. So Cute.

So since we are on the bible as easter bunny level i suppose the real question how does that work still haunts us! We can ignore the fact that buddhas mother also gave birth aka virgin style. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.