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Featured Jesus Encouraged Drunkenness

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. SugarOcean

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    However, the OP is stating Jesus encouraged drunkenness. Which is a lie.
    This is just another one or maybe the same one, that posts threads insulting the faith, or Christ, or God, or the faithful.
    They throw a barb and then they wait to watch people respond. That's their addiction.
     
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    There are only 2 different translations in reality--The religion that came out of Romes translating. And JW translating. When the protestants translated, NO originals remained. The translating of Catholicism remained. They read catholicisms own bible and it exposed them as false. Yet those using those translations refuse to believe they translated misleading errors in. They have been proven errors. The teachings of Jesus prove their in error. You are not taught what Jesus actually taught. I share 7 super important teachings of his found in every translation on earth but every trinitarian rejects those teachings when I show them, because it exposes their religion as not belonging to Jesus because they DO NOT teach what he actually teaches. I see you are lost to the darkness as well.
     
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    The autographs aren't available to us, that is correct. However, the Roman canon that existed first being the mother text of the later Protestant would mean the JW's borrowed from that source. Because the JW's do not have the autographs.

    You would do well to read the link I shared prior.
    Here it is again: JW New World Translation Bible Errors List - Doctrines of Faith
     
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    I believe if one accepts the evidence that he performed many miracles, then turning water into wine would be a better interpretation than the alternatives.
     
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    Matt 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.

    It looks to me like Jesus is saying His actions are wise.

    Prov 23:20 Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat,

    I believe then if Jesus is being wise then He is denying the accusation.
     
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    I believe the NT is written in Greek but after that I would not think so.
     
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    Yes, much of the translating remained intact. But a few minor changes to fit false council teachings occurred. It was kept in latin for over 1000 years after the councils were held. No one but clergy were allowed to read the bible. If men tried to translate it, were burned alive for heresy. Once men were allowed to read it, Catholicism translated from latin to greek. Subtle changes to make it look like Jesus is God, but he is not. Even their own greek text proves a capitol G GOD in the last line of John 1:1 = error. Worship to a mortal Jesus = error. Trinity translations teach 2 different gods because of errors. Of course that side says the JW,s are in error. The teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers correct.
     
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    Not at all. However, you're not likely to take someone's word for that when this is a discussion forum on the Net.
    If you're meant to find the truth God will open your eyes and lead you there.
     
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    The water was turned into what we would now know as grape juice today. Their could not be alcohol in it for this very reason. The Greek word used for wine is a generic term that can be applied to any type of grape drink. Considering the context, of the situation, it could not be the case that this was alcohol. This was a strict Jewish society and under the Law of Moses, alcohol was forbidden. Did Jesus get a whole crow drunk? Nah, not the case... if it is the case, we have an obvious contradiction between Jesus's life and teachings.
     
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    There is no better source than truth, than the teachings of Jesus. He exposes 99% of all religions claiming to be Christian as false religions. They don't know what he actually teaches. They do not teach what he actually teaches.
     
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    I won't belabor this point further. JW is a cult and its bible has been proven to be errant. Don't believe me. In the end of life God is merciful. I pray God is merciful to you.
    Peace.
     
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    It is the Puritan Sects of Christianity that have a problem with alcohol, which are fairly modern. I agree with you that there is absolutely no basis for the idea that drinking alcohol is sinful.

    The scriptures do speak against being a drunkard, and to restrict yourself so that you don't subsequently commit debaucheries. But one can fully enjoy alcohol without getting black out drunk. Indeed, while I drank my fair share in college - I've never blacked out or lost control. Now a days I hardly drink at all, though I do enjoy getting a nice buzz going occasionally.
     
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    The bible is 100% clear, Who are Gods children and who are the children of the devil-1John 3 says--Its impossible for a child of God to practice even ONE sin.--This world is in big trouble.
     
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    Religion is, and the same deity would be different, depending on the culture, place and time in history.
     
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    The old and new testaments were heavily influenced by other cultures.
     
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    So there are no Christians? No one is perfect.
     
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    Your narrow minded opinion is noted.
     
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    Educated mind actually. You should try it.
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    Doesn't seem like it. Exchristian agnostic pantheist/unitarian universalist.
     
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    I believe you.
    So you're adding another former belief to your profile?
     
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