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Featured Jesus Encouraged Drunkenness

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps I would've gotten along pretty well with Jesus. Apparently he knew how to party.

    Most Christians seem to believe that drinking alcohol to the point of drunkenness is a sin. Yet, apparently, Jesus fully endorsed drunkenness, as we can see in John 2:9-11:

    and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

    Clearly, Jesus' first miracle was getting people (who were already plastered) even more inebriated. No wonder they all believed in his "glory!"

    The Bible also clearly states that Jesus was a social drinker and that people viewed Jesus as a glutton and a drunkard. See Luke 7:34

    The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.'

    So, why do Christians so often assume that drinking alcohol is a sin? If they actually paid attention to what the guy they supposedly follow did, they would fully support drinking to drunkenness. After all, Jesus' first miracle was creating wine to give to people who were already drunk. Thus, a true Christian would not view drunkenness as a sin, and on the contrary, would encourage it.

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  2. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    I can't back this scripturally, but I would assume it is not so much drinking, but all the other things that go along with drunkenness: fornication, gambling, violence. Y'know, all the good stuff in life!

    It makes sense that Jesus would encourage drinking, though. Especially if there is a Greek influence in the theology. There be gods and spirits in...spirits!
     
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    Well I guess he did change water into wine.
     
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    Apparently drunkenness is a sin unless it’s Jesus who is giving you the wine.
     
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  5. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    If you actually read the bible, it says that drunkenness as a lifestyle is a sin, but the act of "getting drunk" by itself is not a sin, and is in fact encouraged.
     
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    Stanyon WWMRD?

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    You might felt a kick out of the show "Black Jesus" from a few years ago, it has it's moments that is unless you have already seen it.
     
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    SugarOcean ¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS

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    [​IMG] Fishing for attention to blasphemy. What a tragic hobby.

    Real Christians pray for you. If you'd have obsessed over finding God rather than blaspheming his holy spirit you'd not be so surprised when this is all over.
     
  8. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Once again, you failed to address the verses I quoted. As per usual, your response is laughably irrelevant and reveals your inability to stay on topic. So, how do you explain the verses I quoted? Or do you just skip over them when you read the Bible?
     
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    This is childish.
     
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    I don't think he would have been as popular if he changed wine into water.
     
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  11. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    What is? The Bible?
     
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    I don’t think Bible gives enough reason to say that Jesus supported drunkenness. Making wine is not enough reason to think so.
     
  13. Hubert Farnsworth

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    True, making wine is not enough reason to think so. However, if you read the verse carefully, it says that Jesus made wine for people who were ALREADY drunk. At the very least, this means he did not disapprove of drunkenness, and the fact that he continued to give wine to people already drunk indicates that he seemed to support drunkenness.
     
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    Your opening post. Its purpose is puerile: to try to annoy Christians by making a ridiculous claim, without bothering to read what the bible story says.

    The comment about the guests getting drunk is by the steward to the bridegroom, not to Jesus. It is a comment about general practice. There is nothing to say whether anyone was drunk at this particular wedding, though no doubt a few people were - there always are a handful at any decent wedding party. Jesus, according to the story, helps out - at his mother's insistence - when the wine runs out before the end of the party: probably they miscalculated the numbers. Running out of wine is a pretty disastrous social faux pas for the organiser of a party, as you might realise if you have ever organised one. (I generally aim to order enough to have half a case or so left over of each colour. ;)) There is no suggestion in the story that "Jesus fully endorsed drunkenness". If he had responded, "No, I'm not doing that, there are some people here who have already had quite enough", what a miserable git he would have been.

    Furthermore you compound your silly attack on Jesus by following it with a quote-mined verse, that you have taken out of context and thus got totally wrong. The words you quote from Luke 7:34 are those of Jesus, making fun of the objections people were making, about first John the Baptist and then Jesus himself. He tells them they on the one hand object to John the Baptist, saying because he does not eat bread and drink wine that he is a crazy ascetic. And then, in the next breath, as it were, they object to Jesus, who does eat bread and drink wine, on the opposite basis, viz. that he is a glutton and a drunkard, consorting with sinners etc etc.

    He is making a joke and telling his listeners, in effect, that with some people you just can't win.

    By all means make criticisms of the bible and Christianity, but do your homework by reading any bible passages intelligently, and make serious points rather than silly attempts at a wind-up.
     
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  15. Hubert Farnsworth

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    Why? Because it quotes the Scriptures?
     
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    I've added an explanation to my post. Re-read it.
     
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    Bible doesn’t actually say there were people that were drunk, it says:

    and said to him, "Everyone serves the good wine first, and when the guests have drunk freely, then that which is worse. You have kept the good wine until now!"
    John 2:10

    That doesn’t mean that the people were drunk.
     
  18. Muffled

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    I believe the scripture does not support that view.
     
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    I believe God is not influenced by culture.
     
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    I believe it was eithere that or they were so drunk they couldn't tell the difference or the steward didn't wish to offend the host.
     
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