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Jesus drank alcohol

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Merlin, Oct 2, 2005.

  1. Merlin

    Merlin Active Member

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    No you wrote a whole page quoting the Scriptures.
     
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  2. Merlin

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    Being drunk is not a sin. Damaging other people or things could be considered a sin. But if somebody is stupid enough to want to get drunk, go to bed and sleep it off, then so what. It is their body.
     
  3. Merlin

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    I think you have missed the point of the thread (with great respect)

    The question really related to whether God would care if we had a glass of wine? Has seen nothing better to worry about?
     
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    No it isn't, it's God's. It is bought with a price, and it is HIs temple. The Bible teaches that it should not be defiled by sexual sin or mechanical/chemical manipulation.
     
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    Does that mean God is against all medication ? Spectacles and hearing aids etc etc ?

    Clarification please :D

    K
     
  6. Lindsey-Loo

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    Sorry. I’ll just say that my conclusion that you quoted was addressed to everyone, particularly those that maintain it is fine to drink.

    The scriptures indicate that you should never drink a drop.

    Um, yes it is, according to Ephesians 5:18. We are ordered not to get drunk.

    No. It is not their body. It is God’s body, it belongs to him, it is his gift, and by drinking, we are abusing it.

    No, I think you choose to ignore or are missing the point of my posts. I answered your question in the above posts. Perhaps you should read them again.

     
  7. MdmSzdWhtGuy

    MdmSzdWhtGuy Well-Known Member

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    There are kooks (my Grandma uses that word, I love to get the chance to use it) out there who do take the Bible literally and don't beleive in any medication or surgery. Every few years there is a TV show like E.R. or Chicago Hope where some bumpkin couple is refusing a life saving surgery or drug that would save their little kid, and instead are going to rely on the power of prayer.

    Invariably some social services types have to get involved and there is a moral tug of war over whether the parent's right to practice their religion outweighs the child's right to have this lifesaving procedure/medicine.

    Frankly, they shouldn't overrule the parents here. If there is a genetic anomoly that allows a person to think that way, it is best to let that gene die out. We have enough stupid and crazy people, no sense in letting that kind of thinking spread to the rest of society.

    B.
     
  8. Merlin

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    since when did a glass of wine with dinner constitute 'getting drunk'.

    and the scriptures indicate no such thing, even the last supper had (alcoholic) wine.
     
  9. Merlin

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    Fair comment, and a good balanced answer
     
  10. dan

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    You assert that it was alcoholic. How do you arrive at this conclusion?
     
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    Sorry. The manipulation I spoke of is for the sake of reacreation and other unrighteous motivations.
     
  12. Kowalski

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    OK, I understand you now.

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  13. Lindsey-Loo

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    Since never, but drinking one glass of wine is still a sin.

    And from what do you derive this information?
     
  14. Lindsey-Loo

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    And actually, the wine used in the Lord's Supper was probably not intoxicating. This quote is from one of my previous posts. Merlin, if you would read some of those, a great deal of this would be cleared up for you:

     
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    You live in a modern world of refrigorators and transport. Grape juice would ferment in a skin bag on a camel's back whether you liked it or not on the way to market. Unferemented grape juiced would need to be drunk the same day. Not possible in those days (DHL did not exist).

    Why press grapes just to drink them. Easier just to transport them as they are, pressing is an expensive process and wastes the nutrician in the skins. You would only press to make wine in those days.

    Also, as one of your other contributors has acknowledged, alcohol was the safest drink, even a short a time ago as 200 years. Even children would be given beer rather than poluted water.

    Facts are against you, sorry.
     
  16. Merlin

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    Because non alcoholic wine was barely possible in those days. Fermentaion is a natural spontaneous process from natural yeasts on the skins. It starts immediately.

    To make modern grape juice you need to press and bottle the same day in sterile conditions.
     
  17. Merlin

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    Who says so?

    You have a strange view of sin.

    Does anyone agree that a married couple enjoying one glass of wine a day with their evening meal is a sin?
     
  18. Aqualung

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    Yes, but then again, I beleive Joseph Smith was a true prophet. :D
     
  19. Merlin

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    It would never occurred to me to challenge your belief.
     
  20. Aqualung

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    You are arguing against yourself. If it were impossible to drink a non-alcoholic beverage in those days, of course god would rather you drank that than nothing at all and die from dehydration. But now that you can drink something else, it is a sin to drink alcohol.

    I acknowledged that. Facts are against her if you say her position is that it was a sin for all those old people to drink alcohol. But the exact same facts turn against you if you say it is okay for me to drink it.
     
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