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Jesus = Dionysus Mythology

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Mythology' started by SA Huguenot, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. SA Huguenot

    SA Huguenot Well-Known Member

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    A post was placed where a member linked the following:
    Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.
    Dionysus: Born of a Virgin on December 25th, Killed and Resurrected after Three Days
    I answered with limited time.
    • Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
    • Wrong, there is no date on the birth of Dionysus! he was son of Zeus who impregnated a human woman and when she died, Zeus sewed Dionysus in his thigh where he grew up and was "born" as a god. There is not a single day or date when Dionisys was born in any mythological writing. The solar solistes is anyway not on Dec 25. but on 21 and 22 Dec. Therefore, to say his mother was a virgin is utter deception.
    • He is the son of the heavenly Father.
    • If you call YHWH the heavenly Father, it might be true, but Zeus was never called the Heavenly Father. At best he was called the God of the Sky! Furthermore, he was the child of Chronos and Reah, one of many Greek gods. To correlate Zeus with the Father of the Bible would have seen you getting killed in Greece and Rome 2 000 years ago. AND HE WAS ONE OF THE 12 GODS IN OLYMPUS!
    • As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
    • This is a total lie! he was raised by Rain nymphs in the wild bushes. He also had an older sister born from Chronos and Demeter. Both were worshipped as Greek gods.
    • Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
    • Not True, he was a God of wine, dance and sexual perversion. He was represented as a god of chaos and the protector of misfits.
    • He was the God of the Wine, and turned water into wine.
    • Also a lie. he never turned water into wine, he MADE wine and taught mankind to make it too.
    • Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an ***.
    • Also not true. He entered 2 places in mythology. GREECE, AND NO MENTION ON WHAT HE RODE, AND OLYMPUS, ALSO NO REFERENCE
    • He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
    • Bull s#$%. He was torn apart by the titans and his body strewn on the earth. His heart was used to build him up again. His festivals would include drinking, feasting and orgies!
    • The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
    • Also a lie! He went to save his mother, a goddess too, from the grip of the god of the underworld. He fasioned a phallus, fought hell dogs etc. It has sweet nothing to do with Jesus who died on the cross and was dead for 3 days. Also, no time or day count of Dionysus' period in Hades is mentioned. Perhaps in writings from 300 AD, but not in ancient myths.
    • Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
    • Also not true. No date, and he did not asscend into heaven, he went to mount Olympus to be with 12 other gods. Big difference, a mouintain and heaven.
    • Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
    • And God of wine, dance and sexual perversion. He was represented as a god of chaos and the protector of misfits. The only "Liberation" he did was for the perverted during sex orgies
    • Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
    • This is a blatant lie! never was he called "Only Begotten Son, he had 138 siblings, of which at least 76 boys!"
    • "King of Kings," Also not true, he was a lesser god, Zeus was king.
    • "God of Gods," Also a lie, He was a lesser God!
    • "Sin Bearer," Nope, he was the sin giver and reason for drunkedness and perversion.
    • "Redeemer," yes, when he freed man and women in orgies from guilt!
    • "Anointed One" This was never his title at all.
    • "Alpha and Omega."He was one of 12 gods, a child of two other gods, how the heck can he be the Alpha and Omegs when Zeus still had sons after him?
    • His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
    • Bull s%^& again! Dionysus was never crucified! He was raised in the bushes by nymphs and this is where he recived the name.
     
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  2. SA Huguenot

    SA Huguenot Well-Known Member

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    I wonder why anyone would take Achariah S's mystery concoctions, who by the way was proven as a huge liar by historians on ancient Mythology, and post it without even checking the facts.
    It is due to such misinformation, whom anyone could actually smell a mile away was somehow not true, that people think the Bible is a book of myths, and Jesus nevere existed.

    This rubbish was all made up by Gerald Massey by him seeking spirits to guide him to write his publications on the Christ myths and he did his best to twist the Egyptian Mythology, followed by the Greek and Roman to create an appearance that the Jesus History was actually only a myth and that Jesus never existed.
    Tom Harpur and Robbert Price followed up on his work, and influenced Murdock, AKA Achariah S to continue with her Christ Myth stories.
    Not one of these people could answer countless historians on their claims, and some of them even challenced AchariahS to produce any documents to prove these claims.
    Well, she died a few years ago without any support for her claims.

    I would love anyone on this forum to see if they can find any relation to this Mythologies, and Jesus so I can investigate.
    And, I would love to hear from others what they think of the above accusation that Jesus never existed, and was only a "concoction made up by Christians with the use of Egypt, Greek and Roman Mythology".
     
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    What about Jesus and Dionysus?
     
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    Christians do "this" as well, stating that Brahman refers to Abraham, or equating Shiva's trident "trishula" with the Christian cross, for example.
     
  5. SA Huguenot

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    What the mythicists do is to compare Jesus to the mythological Bacchus, or Dionysus and to claim Jesus never lived but is a made up story where people took mythology, and applied it to Christ.
    Gerald Massey started this with no evidence, and today it is one huge movement used by Muslims, as well as atheists to somehow say Jesus is a myth.
     
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  6. SA Huguenot

    SA Huguenot Well-Known Member

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    Well, lets put it this way!
    • I do not know of a single Christian who say Brahman is Abraham.
    • or any Christian that claim Shiva's trident is the Cross of Christ.
    Please supply me with references where any Christian does claim such things.
    I am sure Christians will never make any such a claim.
     
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    The late psychologist Carl Jung had the theory he called the archetypes of the collective unconscious. In modern terms, the archetypes are similar to the personality firmware, associated with the DNA based operating system of the human brain.

    Since we all share human nature; human species, archetype or firmware expressions will be similar in all humans, independent of culture. Jung proved this thesis by finding common mythology, symbols and dreams in people and cultures where there is no proof of any interaction. For example, the Aborigine, which settled Australia starting about 50,000 years ago have a world wide flood mythology. They developed this independent of Noah. It symbolized a major update in the brain's operating system.

    Human nature makes all humans have things in common, in terms of the natural operating system of the brain. These things in common causes the human imagination to spontaneously create and project similar types. The superficial dressing for the types, will be influenced by circumstances of one's culture, but the underlying types are the same in all humans. It is not uncommon for different mythologies to appear to overlap. This is true if both are expressing fundamental types.

    The best projections from the types reflect the operating system and the personalty firmware. If these are true to their origins, they have the ability to push the buttons of the operation system in others, and therefore perpetuate and grow in popularity. The symbolism of Jesus resonates, since it came from the inner gods; firmware, and allows these gods to be felt by others.
     
  8. SA Huguenot

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    And the above will all make sense if one belief in evolution and aborigini's existing 50 000 years ago.
    However, if one knows we all descended from Noah, everything makes logical sense that we were interconnected less than 4500 years ago.
    This was what researchers also found, and the same with the Grimm brothers,
    All languages developed from one single language.
    Sounds familiar, doesnt it?
    Anyhow, There is zero evidence that there was any life on earth 6 000 years ago.
    Only incorrect interperatations of C14 tests, which incidently also shows that the oldest charcoal burned by man dates from 4500 years ago.
     
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    Or that "we all descended from Noah," but evidence has little to do with threads such as this.
     
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    As bad as some Christ myth theories are it does not discount the fact that it is not known whether or not the NT writers had a particular itinerant preacher in mind when they set pen to paper. The NT is completely concerned with theology and subject to interpretation which is why so many differences of opinion occur as regards to an historical Jesus or a mythical Jesus.
     
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