Jesus childhood years?Egypt?

[Riders]

The bible tells about his birth then has one incident as a child then skips up to his adulthood? Id think that that's a huge thing to leave out.

It also says he escaped to Egypt and lived, I saw a tv show that said with King Herod in leadership for howeve rlong Jesus would've had to live along time in childhood in Egypt and he would braised as an Egyptian learning the Egyptian religion. Sense Egyptians believe in resurrection why shouldn't I believe Jesus just took Paganism back to his people and sugar coated it with Jewish beliefs?I see him as being Pagan in his beliefs.

 

[Skwim]

I think we should make up some facts.


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[Riders]

Go ahead

 

[Riders]

This is Osirus from WIki he was resurrected as well Jesus wasn't the only one which means when Christians say Jesus was the only messiah who was resurrected its a lie.

The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife. It also expresses the essential character of each of the four deities at its center, and many elements of their worship

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doesn't the Apocrypha cover those missing years?

 

[Riders]

Good question

 

[columbus]

There isn't any reason to believe that any such census actually happened.

When the Romans did a census it wasn't to properly allocate federal benefit funding or voters rights. They wanted to know what you had that they could tax. They didn't care where you were born. They cared about your assets and military age sons. There is no recorded census that fits the bill. Those things were documented.

Nor is there any record of a king ordering the slaying of all male children, much less Herod doing it.

But if the Gospel authors waited long enough to make up stuff like that for the story, they could present Jesus, born in the kingdom of David, coming out of Egypt like Moses.

It's a great story.

But all this stuff would have huge evidence because it would have been a huge big deal at the time.
Tom

 

[Riders]

Interesting hadn't thought about Moses coming out of Egypt and then Jesus so in your opinion theres no proof he even existed thanks.

 

[Augustus]

This is Osirus from WIki he was resurrected as well Jesus wasn't the only one which means when Christians say Jesus was the only messiah who was resurrected its a lie.

The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife. It also expresses the essential character of each of the four deities at its center, and many elements of their worship

Jesus didn't have a magical golden wang though as his original one was never eaten by a fish.

Although if he did, it could have made the resurrection more interesting

 

[buddhist]

Who knows what really happened? It's all hearsay and conjecture from here on.

 

[Thanda]

There isn't any reason to believe that any such census actually happened.

When the Romans did a census it wasn't to properly allocate federal benefit funding or voters rights. They wanted to know what you had that they could tax. They didn't care where you were born. They cared about your assets and military age sons. There is no recorded census that fits the bill. Those things were documented.

Nor is there any record of a king ordering the slaying of all male children, much less Herod doing it.

But if the Gospel authors waited long enough to make up stuff like that for the story, they could present Jesus, born in the kingdom of David, coming out of Egypt like Moses.

It's a great story.

But all this stuff would have huge evidence because it would have been a huge big deal at the time.
Tom

If there are records for things like that as you say - then why would somebody, seeking to create a new religion, write something that would be quickly disproved (if we are sure of the records we have now, then they must have been doubly sure of the records they had then)?

 

[Valjean]

I heard He went to India.
Of course, this was from a Hindu guru...

 

[columbus]

If there are records for things like that as you say - then why would somebody, seeking to create a new religion, write something that would be quickly disproved (if we are sure of the records we have now, then they must have been doubly sure of the records they had then)?

Well, three things.
For one, the earliest NT doesn't have the Nativity. The Epistles, Mark,and Matthew don't have it. Luke is later, and generally for a less Jewish audience.
Secondly, the large majority of people had no access to any records. The best that most people had was the memories of their parents. In an era of really low life expectancy lots of people have no way to know what happened 10 years ago. If your target audience is "the least among us", most of them would be relatively uninformed and gullible.
Lastly, there is no way to know how many people believed in a literal sense. Quite possibly, almost none.
If you took a survey of media in the USA, without really knowing the culture, you could think we all believe in Santa Claus. People talk about him all the time. Literal belief is only little kids. But plenty of grown ups believe in the Spirit of the Season. Santa is the anthropomorphic metaphor for Generosity and Harmony in the dark and cold. Nobody writes papers explaining the lack of a North Pole home or the physics of reindeer sleigh magic.

If the stories were literally true they would have had a huge and immediate effect. They might not have instantly changed the entire world. But they wouldn't have nearly disappeared until Paul came along.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

He most likely worked as a carpenter or some other sort of craftsman. Not that exciting.

 

[Valjean]

Face it. We don't know s**t. We don't even know if He existed, and, if He did, how much of the folklore is pure invention.
There are no primary sources, no eyewitness reports.

 

[Riders]

Well my take on weather or not he existed is this. I think either A. He existed or B. the Messiah movement existed( we have proof that there was a Jewish Messiah movement right?) and maybe Jesus was use as a representation of the whole group. But still the idea that a mystical group of Messiahs who lived in Egypt wanted to bring
mysticism to the Jews , resurrection is from mystical beliefs as you can see Osirus was raised so.So the myth Jesus who died was crucified and raised from the dead came out of partly Mystical Egyptian beliefs, its just an opinion I dont have roof, it just strikes as odd that there are so many similarities with Christians and the mysticism of the day.

 

[Augustus]

Well my take on weather or not he existed is this. I think either A. He existed or B. the Messiah movement existed( we have proof that there was a Jewish Messiah movement right?) and maybe Jesus was use as a representation of the whole group. But still the idea that a mystical group of Messiahs who lived in Egypt wanted to bring
mysticism to the Jews , resurrection is from mystical beliefs as you can see Osirus was raised so.So the myth Jesus who died was crucified and raised from the dead came out of partly Mystical Egyptian beliefs, its just an opinion I dont have roof, it just strikes as odd that there are so many similarities with Christians and the mysticism of the day.

Jesus almost certainly lived and was crucified. An eschatological movement that outlives its founder has to adapt its teachings though. The resurrection was likely a result or the need to explain why Jesus died before the promised eschaton arrived.

Personally, I see very little in common between Osiris and Jesus.

Christianity was an offshoot of Hellenised Judaism rather than Egyptian mysticism.

 

[Valjean]

No 1ry sources, and His promoters had an agenda.
There is plenty of folklore out there that certain peoples believe, and there are plenty of holy personages in history that have been largely forgotten.

 

[Riders]

Wiki does say Christianity was a take off of Helinistic Judaism which was basically Greek Paganism.and that it was from Egypt that part I got right but it was a Greek religion. For crying outloud if thats true obviously Christianity has been changed into a religion it as never meant to be.

 

[columbus]

For crying outloud if thats true obviously Christianity has been changed into a religion it as never meant to be.

Jesus was a good Jewish boy. Theological conservative, but a social reformer.
It was Paul who was the Christian.
Tom