The quantum science community does not say that, the quantum mystic community does.
That is not neccesarily true, although the scientific community does not usually delve into the Mystical/philosophical/religious aspects of quantum reality. And the extent to which humans have the ability to influence reality is debatable, but nonetheless at the most basic levels, humans have the ability to influence reality. There are many interviews with leading quantum physicists that basically state this view, albeit in a round about way many times.
The most basic examples are the slit experiments. As far as we can tell, human observation affects the way light reacts, since EMR flows through basically everything, it is only natural for us to assume that human perception has the ability to affect everything. Consideriding the theory of intercellular biophotonic communication, it makes the ability of humans to affect light even more interesting.
How this translates from the quantum level to the physically observable level is an entirely different matter. But it is interesting to note that objects as large as 60 atom molecules called buckeyballs seem to be affected by human perception as well. That means protons, neutrons, and electrons fall under the same category.
From what I gather, there seems to be a specific level of mass in which this phenomenon stops happening, but it begs the question of what level of mass does this stop occurring, and why does it stop? And would it still stop if there was a continual application of observation over an extended period of time? And Would the length of observation alter the level of mass that could be affected.
I'm disturbed by the amount of new agey ideals, solipsism, and utter ignorance to the workings of the world that has grown into the DIR.
Sorry I bring my new-agey crap into the DIR. But my new-agey crap is not really new agey. I don't even like new age stuff, I adhere to many new age ideas, but it is because of my own logical deductions based on my own research into scientific theories, and not because I read some article by Deepok Chapra, and immediately accept it is fact. If I can not verify a scientifically plausible theory for a particular idea than I do not incorporate it into my ideology. I don't care for Chapra or the new age, as I don't feel they try to scientifically justify their views, they just say it's beyond comprehension or some aincient church tactic like that.
I adhere to quantum mysticism, but is my own form of quantum mysticism, and it posits many ideas that are opposite to media "quantum mysticism".
Let me explain. The Pali texts describe Nibbana as uncaused, untraceable, or ineffable. Zen uses the word "spontaneous." The fourth seal of Buddhism says "Nibbana is beyond concepts." "Release," "liberation" and "blowing out of karma (causal ties)" are other phrases used.
It is somewhat like the LHP idea of separating from the objective universe, in that there is no discernible way of tracing the causal factors upon which ones consciousness is based, but it doesn't go so far as claiming "isolate intelligence," in that "isolate" is a comparative traceable concept.
"And when the devas, together with Indra, the Brahmas, & Pajapati, search for the monk whose mind is thus released, they cannot find that 'The consciousness of the one truly gone (tathagata) is dependent on this.' Why is that? The one truly gone is untraceable even in the here & now.
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It seems to me like your are trying to identify Nirvana with a bunch of Eastern labels, are those better than Western labels?
Now we are getting back to what originally started this discussion. My personal opinion is that I have experienced what you call Nirvana. I know of it as a state of pure bliss, although your view my be different. I also feel that I have experienced what you describe as the LHP of total withdrawl from the objective universe. For me the action of experiencing them are different. One is nothingness, one is oneness.
I believe that it is the merger of these two states of conciousness and/or non conciousness that is equal to transcendence, that, I do not feel as though I have experience yet.
If your idea of Nirvana is transcendence, then I can not speak on whether it happens spontaneously or not. As for reaching Oneness and/or Nothingness I can definitely remember a series of actions and/or life events that led me to reach them. As far as the physical process that I went through, all the times I have reached these states, there is a particular meditation that I do, and a very simple one at that, in which these states happen.
I don't know what exactly I do differently to reach these states, or what conditions allow me to reach this state sometimes and most of the time not, so on that level I guess you could say that it is spontaneous, but I would dare to gaurantee that there are people in this world that know exactly what to do, to generate these states on demand.
If your idea of action means why something happens, then your right I have no idea why the events of my life lead me to learn this meditation, which in turn led me to be able to experience this state. But my idea of action is how something happens, and while I don't neccesarilly know all of the steps involved, I do know enough to be able to induce these states on a few occasions, although not many. I also have not been able to carry either of these states into my everyday life, which I believe is also something that I believe possible, and would be something that I would call true transcendence. I would expect that being able to carry these states over into everyday life would be a product of experiencing them on a regular basis, but I dunno.
I tried to relate these two experiences to the direct experience of two physical representations, basically I am trying to say that when we as a human beings experience these two states, you are in actuality, experiencing the conciousness of these two "quantum particles" for lack of a better word. Not saying that's what happens, just saying that's how I like to identify it.
I would compare it to the LHP idea of delving into archetypes. You are essentially merging yourself with the conciousness that a particular archetype represents. I'm just saying that when you experience oneness and/or nothingness you are actually merging yourself with the conciousness of quantum particles that represent these energies. Again, not saying that is what is actually happening, just saying that is my opinion of what happens during these states.
