I wrote in part:
2SH is simply irrelevant. On the other hand, if you have evidence of writings about Jesus prior to Paul I will be happy to consider it - preferably in another thread,
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Jesus, a Jewish "Hippie"?
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I wrote in part:
2SH is simply irrelevant. On the other hand, if you have evidence of writings about Jesus prior to Paul I will be happy to consider it - preferably in another thread,
Christians are shocked that I blaspheme Jesus (and Christ, and God) by suggesting that perhaps Catholic priests should stop raping little boys. I suppose that they think that raping little boys is part of their faith. It isn't.
I object to those who espouse Christianity, but don't practice it.
Christianity, itself, is very good, but the way Christians choose to "not" practice it, it is not.
Jesus was Jewish, and largely followed Jewish laws. But, he made things simpler for Christians. . .no bris. . . no unusual hair cuts. . . no dietary restrictions (just occasionally drink the blood of Jesus or eat the flesh of Jesus, symbolically, as a reminder of the faith).
Christians are supposed to follow the 10 commandments of the old testament.
But, lately, those have become the 10 suggestions (not commandments from God). Thus God's words "thou shalt not kill" has been changed to "these colors (red, white, and blue) don't run" and "don't cut and run" and "we have to fight the al Qaeda on their soil, not ours," and "the al Qaeda posts antiwar propaganda on the internet" (so ignore anyone who wants to obey God), and "the French are cowards" (for not supporting W. Bush's war in Iraq), etc. President W. Bush double dog dared us to fight and kill. He scared us with Orange alerts to kill North Koreans who "might be" developing the atomic bomb for their own protection. He scared us with lies about Niger selling yellow-cake Uranium to Iraq, to start a new war in Niger to steal their resources, and justify his war against Iraq (his plan failed when Wilson refused to lie to start another war, so W. Bush and Cheney revealed the secret identity of Wilson's CIA wife, Valery Plame, for punishment for Wilson not lying, and that resulted in the assassination of CIA agents seen associating with Plame).
Christians have been lying and fearmongering to start illegal wars, and hiding torture camps from the press, from the public, and from most of Congress. (Some Congressmen/women knew about the torture in Guantanamo, and in Iraq, and on ships on the Indian Ocean, but they were under oath not to reveal military secrets to the public or to the rest of Congress).
I am deeply concerned that boy-raping priests don't follow the Christian faith. I am deeply concerned that the Religious Right elected W. Bush, then, once he was president, they elected him to be the leader of the Religious Right, then he became a war criminal (with illegal wars against peaceful nations (who, at the time, were our allies), and made torture camps.
I am not deeply concerned that Jesus was a hippy and a Socialist.
Jesus healed regular people (not just the rich), and didn't ask for payment. This was like univeral health care (Obamacare), which seeks to provide cures to everyone (except it costs the middle class a lot, it's free to the rich who have loopholes, and it pays for the poor). Obamacare was supposed to lower the cost of medicine, but pharmaceudical companies are reaping huge profits as the sick are forced to pay huge amounts. This form of health care (Obamacare) is almost socialized medicine (Socialism). Except that the rich get free care and the working middle class pay for it all while rich pharaceudical companies make huge profits.
Hippies were supposed to have free love. Many kids were born out of wedlock and raised by the entire group. Food and narcotics were shared with all. Communes didn't work well because everyone wanted free food, but few were willing to tend farms to get it.
It is clear that many men followed Jesus. It is not clear that Jesus had many women followers, nor that he had sexual relations with any of them. There are some rumors.
Hippies are sometimes nomadic (settling for a while in various places). Jesus (and his troop) often moved about.
Though Jesus, by trade, was a carpenter, and he preached Judaism (and founded Christianity), he didn't seem to have a steady job. Hippies, too, had skills, and worked for brief amounts of time.
I (and God) would like to end wars, torture camps, lies, and rapes of little boys. I (and God) don't particularly care about the hippy lifestyle of Jesus.
Wildswanderer
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What does America officially stand for? Freedom and justice for each individual. Where does Jesus oppose this ideal?
Democrats help the poor for social justice, but end up helping the economy. W. Bush outsourced factories overseas to take advantage of cheap foreign labor, but that caused the manufacturing hubs of the US (Detroil, and the whole state of Ohio) to turn into crime-ridden ghost towns.
Helping the sick might cure an infected leg, which would get a worker back to work. Without curing the leg, the worker would lose his leg, lose his job, so his wife would leave him, and take the kids. With many lame people without jobs, the economy would suffer. So, save a dime by not curing a leg, you end up losing a fortune by losing workers.
In other words, doing the humane things saves money and saves lives, and helps the economy.
You wouldn't think that those who spend money helping the sick are actually smart economically.
When President W. Bush was trying to shut down the port of Los Angeles, and create a port in Mexico, to take advantage of cheap foreign labor, he didn't do it for humanitarian reasons, but he would have helped poor Mexican laborers inadvertantly.
So, the results of our actions don't always match our intents.
Sometimes it looks like we spend money wildly, but the spending has a way of paying off in other ways.
Following God's laws (which is about the Kingdom of Heaven), results in helping everyone. It may look like only the sick and poor benefit, but everyone benefits from a healthy economy.
Freedom and justice (I know, I read the sign outside of the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba torture camp). President W. Bush was elected leader of the Religious Right, and he was "fightin' the Axis of Evil" and issued orange alerts (to scare us into more wars).
DEATH TOLL FROM THE SLAVE TRADE
"Killed during the transatlantic slave trade varies anywhere between 6-150 million (just crossing the Atlantic)." (source: website above.
Clara Tea's opinion: Freedom, justice, slavery?
Perhaps Christians (and others) are similarly shocked that you'd drag your phobic campaign into threads in which it manages to be not only petty and incoherent, but also wholly irrelevant. Take it elsewhere.
(The ignore-list has never proved more useful ...)
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You have an unhealthy obsession with G. W. Nobody is talking about G.W. but you.
I'm talking about what American officially stands for and it's an ideal worth swearing allegiance to...it has zero to do with any president.
Are we suppose to know to whom this is directed?
Completely untrue
As he says "not one dot will fall away from the Torah" he changing absolutely nothing about the Torah.
No jesus does not in anyway support the Pharisees as true to moses. As he says in Mark 7 'you have put aside the commandments of God to cling to human traditions'
Also the case that om Shev Tov Hebrew Matthew which is a Hebrew based text Jesus calls the pharisees "Blind chairs" and says "you sit in the seat of moses so do as HE(moses) says.
The Greek texts contradict each other in this area.
Which it is.
And yet he came to "fulfill the law". Meaning it was no longer necessary. As he supercedes them. Matt 5:17
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Counterculture advice maybe?
America talks a good game, but it's never been a paragon of freedom and justice, either at home or abroad.
Jesus, as generally depicted, stood for kindness, love, compassion, and brotherhood --Hippie values.
Individual freedom? I don't think that's what orthodox Jews were all about. Judaism is about community.
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And "fulfill the law" is sufficiently vague to mean whatever the person citing it wants it to mean.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
All Hippies Judaic, or Eastern. For the most part Hippies believe in cosmic order, and Passive Jesus. Pretty much The archangel of peace is going to show up and start banging out college chicks.
Huh?
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
okay???
“The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice." Mt 23:2